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Tapping Cylinder head for helicoil
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17 Feb 2011 20:39 #431422
by jbrewer73
Tapping Cylinder head for helicoil was created by jbrewer73
Well I just got a 78 KZ1000 and realized one of the head bolts is stripped. It is one of the small 10mm on the side. I tried to tap to put helicoil in but when i tried backing it out it came out ablut half way and stopped. Now it is just spinning but not backing out. I bought the kit so i know I am using the correct tap.
Can anyone please help out on what the heck I did or did not do?
Thanks
JB
Can anyone please help out on what the heck I did or did not do?
Thanks
JB
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17 Feb 2011 21:02 #431426
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1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)
Replied by MFolks on topic Tapping Cylinder head for helicoil
Many riders here have used this type of thread repair:
www.timesert.com/
Heli-coils can possibly work for some situations, but as you found out, they will back out if not correctly applied.
www.timesert.com/
Heli-coils can possibly work for some situations, but as you found out, they will back out if not correctly applied.
1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)
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17 Feb 2011 21:34 #431428
by jbrewer73
Replied by jbrewer73 on topic Tapping Cylinder head for helicoil
Let me try and clarify. i dont think i was clear on my last post. I never got the helicoil in. I just tried to tap but when doing so I am unable to remove the tap. I can only back it out half way but then it is spinning. So i cannot remove the actual tap so I can put the helicoil in.
thanks for the feedback
thanks for the feedback
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17 Feb 2011 22:23 #431430
by MFolks
1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)
Replied by MFolks on topic Tapping Cylinder head for helicoil
Did you tap the hole dry? Taps need cutting fluid to prevent breakage. I use the black sulfur fluid found at hardware stores for pipe thread cuting.
It's smelly, but lets the tap cut good. Avoid any cutting fluid that can damage Aluminum as this will make for a weak repair.
Tap-matic for Aluminum is a good one, and so is Rapid Tap for Aluminum.
It's smelly, but lets the tap cut good. Avoid any cutting fluid that can damage Aluminum as this will make for a weak repair.
Tap-matic for Aluminum is a good one, and so is Rapid Tap for Aluminum.
1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)
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18 Feb 2011 02:21 - 18 Feb 2011 03:06 #431448
by Old Man Rock
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
Replied by Old Man Rock on topic Tapping Cylinder head for helicoil
"So i cannot remove the actual tap "....
Assumption is head not removed off engine?
EDIT:
Side 10mm.... Look underneath, my thread goes all the way through top to bottom.... Possibly thread all the way through....
If not, remove head, drill from underside slightly larger then tap... Then re-tap/serts, 12/13mm I guess be one way...
Assumption is head not removed off engine?
EDIT:
Side 10mm.... Look underneath, my thread goes all the way through top to bottom.... Possibly thread all the way through....
If not, remove head, drill from underside slightly larger then tap... Then re-tap/serts, 12/13mm I guess be one way...
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
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18 Feb 2011 02:35 #431450
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Michael
Victoria, Texas
1982 GPz750
1977 KZ1000A
1978 KZ1000A
1982 GPz1100
1975 Z2A
Replied by Mcdroid on topic Tapping Cylinder head for helicoil
So your tap is stuck? Correct? You shouldn't have to pull the head to re-tap the outer head bolt. If you can't pull it out while spinning it, you may have to revert to what OMR suggested, and then use something like a BigSert, which is used to re-thread holes where the Helicoil has gone wrong.
Michael
Victoria, Texas
1982 GPz750
1977 KZ1000A
1978 KZ1000A
1982 GPz1100
1975 Z2A
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18 Feb 2011 05:15 #431466
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Maybe a photo?
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18 Feb 2011 06:52 #431505
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Replied by jbrewer73 on topic Tapping Cylinder head for helicoil
The head is still on the bike. I only used WD while doing this. I did tasp slowly though. 3 turns then backed out a couple turns before continuing. Im not sure how I would get the tap out the other side if I thread all the way through.
I think I might be stuck taking the head off.
I think I might be stuck taking the head off.
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