1976 KZ 900 #4 plug fouling

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29 Aug 2010 05:22 #394696 by apbling
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My buddy is working on getting another friends 76 KZ 900 running. He is currently fighting a fouling issue on the #4 plug. He said he has swapped plugs/wires/coils with other cylinders and swapped carbs (apparently 2/4 carbs are interchangable on these bikes?) and the issue stays with #4.

He said it doesn't smoke at all, so I would think rings or valve seals would be ruled out. He has 125 psi on all 4 cylinders. The only thing he was wonder is if the valves adjustments are tight, would that cause a plug to foul? I think he plans on adjusting #4, but just has not gotten the shims yet... He mentioned he is wondering if the timing is off somehow...?

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29 Aug 2010 05:41 #394701 by PLUMMEN
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gas or oil? B)

Still recovering,some days are better than others.

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29 Aug 2010 09:49 #394772 by Patton
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apbling wrote:

...76 KZ 900...fouling issue on the #4 plug...swapped plugs/wires/coils with other cylinders and swapped carbs (apparently 2/4 carbs are interchangable on these bikes?)...issue stays with #4...doesn't smoke...125 psi on all 4 cylinders. The only thing he was wonder is if the valves adjustments are tight, would that cause a plug to foul? I think he plans on adjusting #4, but just has not gotten the shims yet... He mentioned he is wondering if the timing is off somehow...?


Too tight valve could result in reported problem.

Don't need shims to measure existing clearance.

Likely not a timing issue.

Good Fortune! :)

1973 Z1
KZ900 LTD

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29 Aug 2010 12:18 #394799 by otakar
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This is a very common problem. It happened to me also. i discovered it to be the enrichening plunger not seating all the way. Even after I rebuilt the carbs it kept on doing it. I solve the problem by putting extra pressure on it to seat it to it's fullest.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000

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29 Aug 2010 13:34 #394821 by apbling
Replied by apbling on topic 1976 KZ 900 #4 plug fouling
Thanks for the replies guys. He'll just have to keep tinkering with it. He told me that he switched the carbs around and the problem stayed with #4, so it's got to be rings/valve seals/valve clearances or something non-carb related (or electrical because he moved them around too)

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29 Aug 2010 16:07 #394847 by otakar
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How were the carbs switched around when the housings are not the same????

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000

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30 Aug 2010 06:39 #394972 by apbling
Replied by apbling on topic 1976 KZ 900 #4 plug fouling
I'm not sure... I'll have to ask him. Which housings are you referring to? He just texted me and said that it's not a carb issue because he swapped 2 and 4 and said they are interchangable. I'll have to give him a call and see exactly whats going on. He's a pretty good mechanic, so maybe I'm the weak link in the information chain :).

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30 Aug 2010 07:02 - 30 Aug 2010 07:03 #394976 by otakar
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Than he is lying to you. Especially 2&4 are not interchangeable. 2 is a left hand carb and four is a right hand carb. This guy is playing you. This mechanic who ever he is, is not very scrupulous with you. This is telling me that he is charging you for things that he is not performing, and he is not aware that you have this web sight as a recourse.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000
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30 Aug 2010 09:43 - 08 Sep 2010 13:45 #395009 by apbling
Replied by apbling on topic 1976 KZ 900 #4 plug fouling
He's not working on my bike, it's another buddies bike. He actually is a family friend of ours and does lots of favors fr people with their bikes, and usually charges little to nothing for his time... I am guessing I mis-heard/understood him.

He isn't a mechanic, just a guy that knows how to work on bikes. I'll confirm what he's referring to and get back to you.
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30 Aug 2010 12:01 #395031 by bountyhunter
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A single plug fouling is probably carb because plugs are wired in series so a bad coil would affect two plugs not one. Could definitely be a bad valve guide seal if oil is running down onto the plug.

1979 KZ-750 Twin

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30 Aug 2010 12:58 #395046 by otakar
Replied by otakar on topic 1976 KZ 900 #4 plug fouling
How long will it take to fowl out the plug after cleaning it? If it is between 30-50Mi than it is the enrichning (choke) plunger. If you would be doing it with oil, you would be smoking like crazy.

74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000

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30 Aug 2010 15:15 #395072 by bountyhunter
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On my twin when the valve seal failed, I didn't see any smoke at all. But a little oil would run down after I turned it off and foul the plug. Only takes a tiny amount to foul the plug and gravity was running it right onto the plug tip.

1979 KZ-750 Twin

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