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12 Jul 2010 15:43 #382056
by bountyhunter
1979 KZ-750 Twin
Replied by bountyhunter on topic valve clearances no good. now what?
Found this on another website:
That must be what I remembered about running them a shade wider than the 0.05 - 0.10mm spec. I also run mine .003" - .005" just to make sure I don't get one tight.
on the KZ900's, you want to try and get the valve clearance in the 0.075mm to 0.125mm range (3-5 thou inch).
Originally kawasaki stated 0.05mm to 0.10mm, but in a later service bulletin changed this to 0.05 to .15mm.
That must be what I remembered about running them a shade wider than the 0.05 - 0.10mm spec. I also run mine .003" - .005" just to make sure I don't get one tight.
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16 Jul 2010 23:37 #383268
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1976 kz900 Mostly stock
1978 Z1-R Project
Replied by asevans on topic valve clearances no good. now what?
ok. got the oem tool. works great. switched some shims around and got 4 of them in spec. im going with the .003-.005".
now ordering shims. do you order them in Metric?
the number on the shim. most of mine are 265. that is 2.65mm right?
according to the manual.
lets do one so i know im not screwed up here
i have a clearance of .008" or .203mm
i want .15 mm
subtract that and .053mm
the shim that was in there 2.65mm
difference .53mm
need this shim 3.18mm
round up to 320mm
so i need a 320 shim?
is that how that works.
thanx
now ordering shims. do you order them in Metric?
the number on the shim. most of mine are 265. that is 2.65mm right?
according to the manual.
lets do one so i know im not screwed up here
i have a clearance of .008" or .203mm
i want .15 mm
subtract that and .053mm
the shim that was in there 2.65mm
difference .53mm
need this shim 3.18mm
round up to 320mm
so i need a 320 shim?
is that how that works.
thanx
1976 kz900 Mostly stock
1978 Z1-R Project
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17 Jul 2010 01:38 - 17 Jul 2010 10:55 #383271
by Old Man Rock
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
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Replied by Old Man Rock on topic valve clearances no good. now what?
320mm... No-No....
Shims come in .05mm increments....
example: As you noted correctly, a 265 shim is actually 2.65mm in thickness...
Kawi spec is .05mm to .1mm...
Via other experienced members...
Intakes @ .05mm to .1mm
Exhaust .1mm to .15mm
Rule of thumb shoot for .08mm to .13mm on both intake and exhaust you'll be good to go...
Ok, if I understand your posting, you have a 2.65mm shim @ a clearance of .203mm... You swap with a 2.75mm shim thus decreasing the distance to .103mm....
Or as the chart depicts, go with a 2.80mm which knocks you down to .05mm clearance....
NOTE: Due to our engine builds (performance cams, over sized valves, head porting, increased compressions etc...), this may be a little tight for exhaust clearances and have found .1 to .15mm is best suited, .12-.13mm is ideal....
Anyhoot, this may come in handy....
Shims come in .05mm increments....
example: As you noted correctly, a 265 shim is actually 2.65mm in thickness...
Kawi spec is .05mm to .1mm...
Via other experienced members...
Intakes @ .05mm to .1mm
Exhaust .1mm to .15mm
Rule of thumb shoot for .08mm to .13mm on both intake and exhaust you'll be good to go...
Ok, if I understand your posting, you have a 2.65mm shim @ a clearance of .203mm... You swap with a 2.75mm shim thus decreasing the distance to .103mm....
Or as the chart depicts, go with a 2.80mm which knocks you down to .05mm clearance....
NOTE: Due to our engine builds (performance cams, over sized valves, head porting, increased compressions etc...), this may be a little tight for exhaust clearances and have found .1 to .15mm is best suited, .12-.13mm is ideal....
Anyhoot, this may come in handy....
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
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17 Jul 2010 07:26 #383292
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Replied by TeK9iNe on topic valve clearances no good. now what?
Just a tidbit of info... When you install a new shim, be sure to turn the engine over several times at the bolt to seat the shim down hard, purging any oil film that can cause a difference under the shim.
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17 Jul 2010 07:45 #383302
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321,000 miles on KZ's that I can remember. Not going to see any more.
Replied by RonKZ650 on topic valve clearances no good. now what?
There's easier ways to measure clearance that makes shim selection very simple. Use metric feelers and only in .05mm increments as that is the shim sizes available, so use .05 .10 .15 .20mm feelers. Find the biggest feeler in these sizes for each valve and call that your clearance. So instead of:
intake 1-4 .007,.007,0 clearance,.003
exhaust 1-4 .005,.008,.007,.005
You get:
intake 1-4 .15,.15,0 clearance,.05
exhaust 1-4 .10,.20,.15,.10
Now decide what clearance you are aiming for. Generally .10 is acceptable. Look at what you measured and it's easy to see you would add one shim size to intake 1-2, subtract one from 4, add two to exhaust 2 and one to exhaust 3. The zero clearance takes some fiddling, start by subtracting two sizes and remeasure.
intake 1-4 .007,.007,0 clearance,.003
exhaust 1-4 .005,.008,.007,.005
You get:
intake 1-4 .15,.15,0 clearance,.05
exhaust 1-4 .10,.20,.15,.10
Now decide what clearance you are aiming for. Generally .10 is acceptable. Look at what you measured and it's easy to see you would add one shim size to intake 1-2, subtract one from 4, add two to exhaust 2 and one to exhaust 3. The zero clearance takes some fiddling, start by subtracting two sizes and remeasure.
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17 Jul 2010 09:10 #383311
by Patton
1973 Z1
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Replied by Patton on topic valve clearances no good. now what?
Don't over-think this.
A shim fills some of the space between cam and valve stem. The remaining unfilled space is the gap or clearance.
Shims are available in thickness sizes 2.00mm, 2.05mm, 2.10mm, etc. on up to 3.20mm.
Replacing existing shim with next thinner shim adds .05mm clearance.
Replacing existing shim with next thicker shim reduces clearance by .05mm.
Through normal wear, usually the gap gradually reduces, closing the clearance, until the next thinner size shim is needed to add .05mm clearance.
When the thinnest 2.00mm shim is still too thick to allow sufficient clearance, the valve stem itself may be ground down ("tipped") to add more space between cam and valve stem. The amount of permissible tipping is very limited and must be done per specs.
Good Fortune!
A shim fills some of the space between cam and valve stem. The remaining unfilled space is the gap or clearance.
Shims are available in thickness sizes 2.00mm, 2.05mm, 2.10mm, etc. on up to 3.20mm.
Replacing existing shim with next thinner shim adds .05mm clearance.
Replacing existing shim with next thicker shim reduces clearance by .05mm.
Through normal wear, usually the gap gradually reduces, closing the clearance, until the next thinner size shim is needed to add .05mm clearance.
When the thinnest 2.00mm shim is still too thick to allow sufficient clearance, the valve stem itself may be ground down ("tipped") to add more space between cam and valve stem. The amount of permissible tipping is very limited and must be done per specs.
Good Fortune!
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KZ900 LTD
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17 Jul 2010 12:11 #383353
by asevans
1976 kz900 Mostly stock
1978 Z1-R Project
Replied by asevans on topic valve clearances no good. now what?
ok.. thanx a lot, i got it now. the way the manual does it is very confusing. at least for me. IPS education here. thats Indianpolis Public Schools.
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