Crack in cylinder head when tacho gear removed

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21 Nov 2009 12:43 - 21 Nov 2009 12:44 #335070 by Arnold
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21 Nov 2009 13:08 - 21 Nov 2009 13:14 #335073 by otakar
In the military we used "Smooth-On" Metal Set. It is much better than JB weld. It was the only e-Poxy allowed to be used on aircraft hot areas. Metal Set is much better than JB Weld. JB Weld is Iron filled and will cause corrosion on Aluminum and fall off at high temperatures. Metal Set is Titanium Oxide filled and is designed for this kind of stuff. I used Metal Set on quite a few engine cases and they held indefinitely. BUT I don't know if I would trust an epoxy in the hottest area of the engine. I would either solder it with Zinc sticks or have it TIG welded. If you loose that chunk while on the road you can loose most of your oil. We all know that this stupid thing always leaks, even under the best of circumstances. How much do you think it will leak with that chunk missing on the road?

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22 Nov 2009 08:06 #335187 by Arnold
Well...we will find out this summer if it holds up or not.
There is no stress on this area, might get a bit hot but it´s still quite far from the cylinders.
Will fill with liquid gasket before I put the tacho-drive in and hopefully get it sealed.

Is Metal Set available for civil use ?

I wouldn´t get on a plane where engine parts was fixed with any chemical weld ;)

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22 Nov 2009 08:09 #335189 by otakar
If you put liquid gasket in the drive before you install it, you will never be able to remove it.

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76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
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22 Nov 2009 08:20 #335191 by Arnold
You got a point...
But how get it sealed otherwise...? The O-ring dont do muck good..

I dont see a reason to get the tacho-drive out again unless the drive-screw wears out. And that will take a long long time.

Even considered putting some JBWeld in when I do final assembly...that will get it sealed :)
But this is a bit over the top...

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22 Nov 2009 11:39 - 22 Nov 2009 11:41 #335216 by Patton
Arnold wrote:

You got a point...
But how get it sealed otherwise...? The O-ring dont do muck good..

I dont see a reason to get the tacho-drive out again unless the drive-screw wears out. And that will take a long long time.

Even considered putting some JBWeld in when I do final assembly...that will get it sealed :)
But this is a bit over the top...


Am thinking the tach drive housing must be removed to replace its o-ring and also the small spring loaded rubber seal inside the housing through which the tach drive shaft rotates.

The o-ring is to prevent oil from escaping around the housing where the housing fits into the head.

The shaft seal inside the housing is to prevent oil from escaping around the shaft.

Would suggest a small dab of Permatex High Temp Copper silicone (from tube -- not spray) at the area where the o-ring can't seal.



Imo, it's important to retain ability to remove the tach drive housing without some super-human effort. So go sparingly as possible with the silicone seal.

The JB Weld repair looks okay.

Good Luck! :)

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24 Nov 2009 12:57 #335655 by Arnold
Thax for the intel Pat..
Will keep you update about the outcome.

Just have to post a pic of my bike, will look better after this winter rebuild.
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11 Dec 2009 13:31 #338540 by Arnold
Outcome:

The engine head overhauled:

* Valves ground in
* New valv seals
* Glas blastered
* Repainted in black
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11 Dec 2009 13:44 #338541 by Patton
The head looks really nice, and especially the polished edges of cooling fins. :cheer:

Good Luck! :)

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12 Dec 2009 01:26 #338590 by Arnold
Thanx Pat,

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02 Jan 2010 15:25 #341614 by Arnold
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02 Jan 2010 15:27 #341615 by Arnold
Cylinder after:

* Glas blastered
* Honed cylinders
* Resprayed in black
* Polished fins
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