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13 May 2009 08:45 #290788 by alexgehrig
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I've seen a few discussions here and there, just wondering what results people have seen with re-torquing head nuts to slow/stop leaks.

I've got an 80 kz650 with 13k leaking oil from what appears to be both the head gasket (front of engine) and base gasket (#1 cylinder area).

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13 May 2009 09:00 #290790 by Patton
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If not already doing, remember to do the re-torquing of head nuts in the prescribed pattern and while the engine is dead cold.

Good Luck! :)

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13 May 2009 09:07 #290792 by alexgehrig
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One other point - to loosen or not to loosen. I've seen some folks say they just set the wrench and tightened and others have loosened (1/4 turn) and then re-tightened.

THoughts?

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13 May 2009 09:07 #290793 by Patton
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More often than not, what appears to be a leaking head gasket is actually seepage from a rubber half moon valve cover plug, or from the tach drive, or from a loose exhaust clamp.

Could clean engine and get it completely dry, then spray foot powder around the potential leak areas, start the engine and watch closely to find exact source of leak.

Good Luck! :)

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13 May 2009 09:10 #290795 by Patton
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alexgehrig wrote:

One other point - to loosen or not to loosen. I've seen some folks say they just set the wrench and tightened and others have loosened (1/4 turn) and then re-tightened.

THoughts?


Can't really explain why, but I like to first just set the wrench and attempt to tighten. Then when it doesn't move, loosen it the 1/4 inch and re-torque.

Good Luck! :)

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13 May 2009 15:20 #290873 by TeK9iNe
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A manual I have says to always loosen before re-torquing because of some metal sticking reason or other...

Its apparently the oly way to achieve the higher torque setting.

Whatever works.

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13 May 2009 18:21 - 13 May 2009 18:24 #290921 by GPz550D1
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alexgehrig wrote:

I've seen a few discussions here and there, just wondering what results people have seen with re-torquing head nuts to slow/stop leaks.

I've got an 80 kz650 with 13k leaking oil from what appears to be both the head gasket (front of engine) and base gasket (#1 cylinder area).



I have a '81 Gpz550 that was leaking oil towards the center of the engine. Tried to re-torque head nuts and they were all tight. Then I marked the nuts location in relation to the head and loosened each nut 1/4 turn and then torqued to specification. Each nut tightened down 1/8 to 1/4 more of a turn compared to where they were originally. I don't see how the head gasket hadn't blown before this. Oil leak has stopped for the moment and hopefully for a long time. This was done several years ago and my bike has 21,000 miles on it now.

Robert

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13 May 2009 18:34 - 13 May 2009 18:35 #290926 by 650ed
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GPz550D1 wrote: "Then I marked the nuts location in relation to the head and loosened each nut 1/4 turn and then torqued to specification."

Did you loosen all nuts 1/4 turn first before re-torquing or did you loosen and re-torque each nut one at a time?

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13 May 2009 19:30 #290956 by GPz550D1
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650ed wrote:

GPz550D1 wrote: "Then I marked the nuts location in relation to the head and loosened each nut 1/4 turn and then torqued to specification."

Did you loosen all nuts 1/4 turn first before re-torquing or did you loosen and re-torque each nut one at a time?



I did them one at a time, following the torque sequence that the manual calls for.

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14 May 2009 08:51 #291090 by alexgehrig
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It sounds like you had good results with your method GPz, so I hesitate to ask...

My instinct tells me to loosen everything 1/4 as you would if you were removing the head (following proper sequence)and then tighten accordingly.

Thoughts (anyone)?

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14 May 2009 13:35 #291198 by bountyhunter
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My only worry would be if you loosened all the bolts at once, the head might shift slightly and then the head gasket wouldn't seal well. I might loosen a few and then snug them back up. After you do that to all bolts, torque in proper sequence.

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14 May 2009 15:30 #291212 by mark1122
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It is possible to get oil from under the head nuts as well. They have copper crush washers, under them to help seal them..
U loosen the nuts a 1/4 turn , 1 at a time, to relieve stress and retighten. this give a more accurate torque.
i remove then 1 at a time and apply some high heat silicone under the nut and washer,to help seal them, just in case. I hate leaks.
The silicone acts as a lubricant and reduces friction during the torque. this give a more accurate torque .
But i like to go overbored sometimes too.
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