Best Bang for Buck Rebuild?

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01 Sep 2008 07:49 #234947 by iroc355
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Im looking to build up a new engine, dont want to spend a crazy amount of money, but want something decent.

Wut i've got to start with is a 1974 900 case with a welded crank, 1000 block, head will be getting sent to APE for a good clean up, 29mm smoothbores, and a vance and hines sidewinder pipe.

I want to build maybe a 1075cc, gonna be for the strip, this is my first drag bike build so i dont want to go too crazy, just want to have a reliable consistent motor.

I dont know wut i should do fr compression ratio, cams, should i go bigger than 1075?,

any opinions will be greatly appreciated!

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01 Sep 2008 11:04 #234996 by PLUMMEN
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build an 1197 with decent head and 435 cams you should have enough power to keep you occupied for a long time.you wont need to beat it nearly as hard as the 1075 so it should be easier on parts;)

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01 Sep 2008 11:43 #235006 by racer54
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"build an 1197 with decent head and 435 cams you should have enough power to keep you occupied for a long time.you wont need to beat it nearly as hard as the 1075 so it should be easier on parts"

What he said! It will cost a bit more than a 1075 because of the added machine work, but in the long run, you will be better off. Headwork is the key here. All the parts must work in combination with each other and they won't work to their best unless you have a good head and can get lots of air in there.

1980 LTD (changed over the years), 1979 LTD (being rebuilt), 1977 KZ turbo and various KZ's in various states of build. KLX110

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01 Sep 2008 12:43 #235013 by Bicycle Lee
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sell your stock head and buy my j head... it has all the machine work and a valve job already done at APE and all you need is the cam tower which is 55 bucks... eh? haha... you know you want it

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01 Sep 2008 14:32 #235024 by iroc355
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also i want to make sure i can continue to use the push button starter, i dont want to have to use a starter cart.

wut compression ratio should i go with?

the father in law is suggesting i go with the 1075cc 12:1 kit from APE with the k410 cams.

i know in the next couple years i will be building a "large" engine bike, so do you guys think i can get decent runs with the 1075 and 12:1 with the 410 cams for the time being? i want to keep machining don to a minimum for now.

i think he's got the 1105 kit with the 420 cams and he is running low 10's on his set up which is more than wut i want.

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01 Sep 2008 20:35 #235074 by racer54
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That 1075 set-up sounds like a good one for what it sounds likeyou want to do. It would be a bore in for 1000 cylinder so the machining would be kept to a bare minimum. My guess is low 11's to high 10's. Maybe a little more. A 1075 is a good motor and can be made to run very strong. In the future you can add bigger cams if need be. Just remember the head is the choking point so spend some time and money there. I was told that a stock head will start choking of at about .360 lift so for best performance, you should have a little work done there. Wouldn't take much though. It should be a nice low maintenance motor that you should be able to use starter with. Gas it up, check the oil and go have some fun.

1980 LTD (changed over the years), 1979 LTD (being rebuilt), 1977 KZ turbo and various KZ's in various states of build. KLX110

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02 Sep 2008 03:50 #235095 by iroc355
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thats exactly wut im looking for!

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02 Sep 2008 17:24 #235183 by iroc355
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so if i go eith the 1075 kit and a j-head would i be best to go with the 12:1 compression to compensate for the compression loss?

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02 Sep 2008 18:08 #235191 by racer54
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Yes. You will lose approximately 2 points of compression if you go to the J head. Just remember that a stock J head won't flow too much more than a KZ head. They have bigger valves, which are at a different angle, and the ports are a bit bigger but not much. So you will have to check the clearance between valve and piston. The valve pocket on the piston will be smaller than the valve itself, so it might be neccesary to cut valve pocket on the piston bigger....maybe not....be sure to check it if you go that route. Another way to go, is if you want to go with the J head, you can order J pistons(which use same size pins)and use a spacer under the cylinder to bring everything back into spec. Pins on J pistons are located in different spot. The spacer comes in different thicknesses and isn't that much. I think it's only about $30-$40. You can get all this from APE. Jay can tell you what parts you would need if you call him. Simplest route would be to use KZ head and you wouldn't have to do all the stuff needed to use a J head right. Have the ports opened up a little or at least match the intake ports up to the size of the intake boots in about 1 1/2". That will help. Then when you build that bigger motor, you can go farther and use the J head with all the work necessary needed, with right port work to make some serious HP. If Lee's head is done right, you would only need that spacer. Beings you are starting from scratch for the most part....decide which head you are going to use and buy the right pistons. Lee's head might be the ticket for you. Check it out.

1980 LTD (changed over the years), 1979 LTD (being rebuilt), 1977 KZ turbo and various KZ's in various states of build. KLX110

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02 Sep 2008 22:18 #235231 by APE Jay
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iroc355 wrote:

so if i go eith the 1075 kit and a j-head would i be best to go with the 12:1 compression to compensate for the compression loss?


If you buy bicycle Lee's head (above) and send us your block, we will do 1075 ( or anything else) with the J model dome so the compression will be right.

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03 Sep 2008 15:26 #235344 by larrycavan
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The only reason to put a J head on that bike is so you can spend more money on a center idler.....what's that get you?

Stay with your KZ head, put a 1075 kit with drop in cams with those 29's and you'll have a great little street bike.

J heads are pushd on here like they're some magic potion or something. That's pure bullshit unless you're going with bigger carbs and porting. Aske me how I know..

Larry C

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03 Sep 2008 16:58 #235354 by keith1
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larrycavan wrote:

The only reason to put a J head on that bike is so you can spend more money on a center idler.....what's that get you?

Stay with your KZ head, put a 1075 kit with drop in cams with those 29's and you'll have a great little street bike.

J heads are pushd on here like they're some magic potion or something. That's pure bullshit unless you're going with bigger carbs and porting. Aske me how I know..

Larry C



exactly what i plan to do....78 kz 1000 ltd....1075 kit and .384 lift cams......minimal amount of cash and most bang for the buck....i figure it to be totally streetable with no issues as far as detonation or cooling and should wake it up nicely....just my .02......keith

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