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07 May 2008 18:35 - 18 May 2008 06:19 #211947 by j_bizach
HELP No Start!!!! UPDATE was created by j_bizach
I just got done replaceing the starter clutch to be able to start my 81 KZ550 ltd. Now the bike has compression, spark, the carbs have been fully broken down and cleaned (no rebuild the bike only has 11k). I checked the timing by lining up the timing marks and checking the position of the lobe.Its correct. When it turns over it doesnt even pop. So i pulled out the starter fluid (yes i know big nono but desperate times desperate measures) and it wouldn't even pop. After about 8-9 tries it poped on one cylinder and shot a fire ball out carb and exaust. Since then no such luck. Theres a gallon in the tank is that enoughto get fuel to the carbs on reserve. Also i know that the petcock is proly in tough shape might that also be a fault.

Right now i have the exaust off the bike and no air box. I now that the air box dont matter but wat about the exaust. Im going to get a timing light to double check the timing and test the compression again tomorrow,

Any ideas, thoughts, or comments would be greatly appreciated. Im pulling my hair out as another beautiful 80 degree day slips by.:(

****************UPDATE********************

Alrite Ive taken the ignition of to check to make sure that the pin has not been sheered. Ive checked the timing spot on. Checked the compression again. The valves are all good no adjustment needed. It hasnt slipped timing the cam chain is nice and tight.

Anymore ideas before i sell this headach and cut my losses


****************New Update******************

After adjusting the cam timing a few links im able to get it to pop but its only poping on one cyl. #4. All the rest the exhaust is ice cold but #4 is nice and warm.
Last edit: 18 May 2008 06:19 by j_bizach.

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08 May 2008 06:00 #212004 by BA KZ550
Replied by BA KZ550 on topic HELP No Start
Make sure that your coil wires are not switched. Black goes to 1/4 and green goes to 2/3.

Jason
Broken Arrow, OK
1981 KZ550 LTD

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08 May 2008 11:22 #212057 by 79MKII
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BA KZ550 wrote:

Make sure that your coil wires are not switched. Black goes to 1/4 and green goes to 2/3.


Very good point. I would just switch the coil wires and give it a try - you can't always go by the color. They may have been switched at some point. (Don't ask how I know that...);)

The Kaw List:
Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250

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08 May 2008 11:55 #212062 by monsterman21
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might be a valve problem ive heard something similar to this before if the timing and coils are correct check/adjust the valves

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09 May 2008 17:07 #212431 by j_bizach
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No more ideas?

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09 May 2008 18:46 #212443 by 79MKII
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j_bizach wrote:

No more ideas?


Did you try switching the coil wires yet?

The Kaw List:
Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250

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10 May 2008 06:53 #212528 by j_bizach
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yeah i just switched the plug wires around. It was easier i hate takik the tank off it a pain in the ass to get the carb lines off and on. I havnt checked the compression with a gauge but none of the cylinders are dead (good ol finger test lol) and the timing lines up. How do you test the coils. Maybe the spark is weak?

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10 May 2008 10:10 #212551 by Patton
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j_bizach wrote:

...hate taking the tank off it a pain in the ass to get the carb lines off and on....


Make getting the fuel lines off and on the petcock quick and fun. B)

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KZ900 LTD
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10 May 2008 21:38 #212678 by KzzIcan
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I know it sounds stupid, but you sure your timing is not 180 degrees off? set at Tpdc on #1 with valves closed?

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11 May 2008 09:16 #212787 by j_bizach
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yes ive switched all that around and no luck yet. Would the valves be that far out of adjustment that it could be keeping the bike from starting. Other than the valve the only thing i could think of is the spark is to weak. How do you test the coils.

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13 May 2008 07:40 #213281 by j_bizach
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I switched the coil wires in desperation and all it did was turn over then bam itd make a loud not so good noise and stop the engine. mSo im guessing that the time is not off 180 degrees

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13 May 2008 08:17 - 13 May 2008 08:18 #213289 by BA KZ550
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Did you pull the plugs if so what shape are the in(color)?

With the timing 180 out or by switching the coil wires you should get very loud backfires through the exhuast.

Did you pull apart the advancer mechanism and magnets under the timing cover? If so you want to make sure that you reinstall the magnets in the correct position or else the bike will not run correctly. I found this out after pulling my hair out for a week.

Good luck

Jason
Broken Arrow, OK
1981 KZ550 LTD
Last edit: 13 May 2008 08:18 by BA KZ550.

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