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19 May 2012 06:52 #523305 by T_Dub
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Oh we can have a comparison if I ever do change, it'd be interesting to test them side by side on a dyno to see exactly where the differences are.

Ideally, the carb I could want for my bike would be a mikuni RS30, but unfortunately they dont exist.

1977 KZ650B1
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-Cavanaugh Racing Head
-Mikuni RS34's
-GPR Muffler

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19 May 2012 07:43 #523311 by T_Dub
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So I discovered something. Mikuni does make their TMR carb range for our bikes. Which means 28mm and 32mm flatslide Mikunis. They seem like they're going to be too expensive but I have a couple feelers out in Europe to see what the best price is.

So now the question. Would 28's or 32's be better on a 810?

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-GPR Muffler

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19 May 2012 11:06 - 19 May 2012 11:09 #523335 by mark1122
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TMR's will be almost impossible to find in a racked kz set. so any size u find will be good. the size comes down to your riding style. all carbs r a compromise of some sort. the ideal carb size for low end will lack in top end. the carb needs a high vacuum signal to perform its best at low rpm's so a smaller diameter carb will perform better. at wot u have a lot of signal so the bigger carb breaths better(providing your ports can match the carbs volume).
part of the problem we face is cost and availability. i think the cr29's would be a great all around fit . but as u have found, so is the RS34. the flat slides, provides a 15% better signal at 1/4 throttle, than the same size round slide. so there shouldn’t be a huge dif down low. Which is best? depends on how u ride. i dont ride below 4000rpm, so i would choose bigger. if u r going to whack the throttle, r you likely to have the rpm's high, or low?
That’s why I say to keep the RS’s , WHILE,u try something else. That way, u can go back and forth until u decide.
The cams will also play a part in this formula. They act something like the carbs. the more duration u have, the more top end and less bottom end u will have.
So a motor with a short duration cam will accept a bigger carb with less low end loss.
There r so many ways to build a motor. U can match all the parts to top end or bottom end, and have a motor the screams at 1 end. Or you can change it up to spread the power out. It depends on your wants. Everyone is dif.
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76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
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19 May 2012 11:23 #523337 by T_Dub
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Yeah I'm a lot like you. Not much time spent below 4000rpm. I found the response on the 34's just fine.

The KZ racked TMR's are available from a couple places in Europe, just waiting on a price. Probably going to be close to $2000. Which is nuts. Also got my eye on an eBay set of 33 flatslides. Might get them if they dont go too high, just as a sort of investment. If I clean them up and sort them out to work well on my 810, people will pay a good bit for them. And I cant imagine the jetting will be much different than on my 34's. Plus if they work better I'll just pawn off the 34's. But I doubt they will.

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-GPR Muffler

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19 May 2012 12:12 #523346 by mark1122
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what r the 33's off of. the spacing will likly be wrong.
some of the old gzx 's used them, they will fit.

76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
01 CBR600F4i Track bike.
Cobourg, Ont. Can.

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19 May 2012 12:37 #523353 by T_Dub
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From a GSX750R, oil cooled. I think they're the same. Maybe a bit off. Injected on here used to have a set on a 650.

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19 May 2012 14:47 #523375 by mark1122
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they would be interesting to play with. my friend has a set on his 1428 but he has so many projects, i've never seen the bike run.

76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
01 CBR600F4i Track bike.
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19 May 2012 14:58 #523376 by T_Dub
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Yeah they're like hens teeth though it seems. So if I get a set I'll get them working on the bike after she's broken in to see how they perform on an 810. It'll be interesting to have the comparison. Then when I win the lottery I'll get a set of TMR32's and try those. And then a set of CR29's. Put them all on the dyno and see whats what. It'd be really fun.

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19 May 2012 15:10 #523379 by mark1122
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LOL :laugh: wouldnt that be the greatest.i have had the same asperations. :P
but lately i just think, a zx14 may be cheaper :woohoo:

76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
01 CBR600F4i Track bike.
Cobourg, Ont. Can.

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19 May 2012 15:34 #523384 by T_Dub
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Ahh, ZX14's are for little girls. Men ride KZ's. :woohoo:

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19 May 2012 16:15 #523394 by mark1122
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I get a lot of guys looking at me when i ride the KZ. :blink:

76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
01 CBR600F4i Track bike.
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20 May 2012 01:18 #523486 by Bad Kaw
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T_Dub wrote: Ahh, ZX14's are for little girls. Men ride KZ's. :woohoo:


Ha-haaaa!!! Well said!!!

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