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20 Sep 2015 05:35 #690976 by kzent
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Hello all, I just joined the forum yesterday because I purchased a 1983 KZ100 three days ago. It runs but needs a lot of TLC. For example, when I have the headlight on dim the oil light is on, but not when the headlight is set to bright? How is that even possible, LOL. Lots of rust and weather worn parts. The bars a bent a little but no other signs of damage from a fall. Maybe it just tipped over....

The tires are really good, rims good, the previous owner says he just spent 500.00 getting the carbs cleaned, oil changed, new plugs and other work. It has to be choked to start even on a 90 degree Memphis day, but runs smoothly and only hesitates for a couple minutes after starting. The forks don't hold air very long and the right rear shock is dented thought they seem to work. I could go on and on.

I have done a ton of googling and searching for parts on EBay and have found quite a few. I am sure I have found nothing members of this site have not used and heard of before. I am hoping maybe someone can point me toward another source of parts? Gas gauge works but It seems to go down really quickly, I filled it last night so I can properly gauge how much fuel it uses.

Anyway, I want to restore it to look good, but not a show bike, just something that will be noticed for looking really great for its age.

Any help, ideas or direction from this forum is greatly appreciated.

1983 KZ1100 A3 Purchased 09/18/2015
Nothing worth doing is easy.

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20 Sep 2015 05:58 #690979 by KZJOE900
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Welcome to KZrider kzent! Post some pictures of your new bike. From the small avatar it looks pretty nice.

Current project 76 KZ900 (This was a Vetter model)
76 KZ900
81 XJ550H SECA (Current Project)
82 XJ550R SECA
Past:
86 FJ1200
74 Z1900
72 CB450

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20 Sep 2015 06:05 - 20 Sep 2015 06:07 #690980 by missionkz
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#1. Buy a real factory service manual x10!!!

After that:
Buy a can of spray DeOxit.
So if you don't know what that is, do a Google search for DeOxit.
Then take the side covers and fuel tank off and remove the headlight.
You might need to take the handle bar switch assemblies off too.
They can be sprayed out with DeOxit and cycled a bunch of times to clean contacts.
Now look at all the wires and their junctions where the slip joints are.
Do this one at a time, so you don't screw up, pull them open and clean them thoroughly with the DeOxit it and possibly a small brass brush or very fine sandpaper if needed.
Again, one at a time!
Same with the battery connections, especially the black wire that goes to the engine ground or frame ground
There's a start for you.

Bruce
1977 KZ1000A1
2016 Triumph T120 Bonneville
Far North East Metro Denver Colorado
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20 Sep 2015 10:04 #691019 by 650ed
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Welcome aboard!

Here are some tips that you may find helpful:

Many newbies and not so newbies run into or issues with their bikes which could be easily avoided with a little preparation or information. Here are a couple recommendations that I hope you will find useful.

Before riding your KZ you should take a little time to become familiar with it. Simple things like checking the oil, tire pressures, etc. are explained in the Kawasaki Owner's Manual. If you bike didn't come with one (they normally are in a little holder on the bottom of the seat) you can usually find one on eBay - be sure to get one for your exact year/model.


MANUAL

You really should consider buying the Kawasaki Factory Service Manual for your bike. The factory service manual provides instructions on the various maintenance procedures and schedules for your bike, procedures for diagnosing problems, proper torque values for the various fasteners (VERY IMPORTANT), and insight into how each system on your bike works even if you are not repairing that system. Studying the manual before you attempt performing service on your bike will impart an understanding of the system you are working on which will increase the odds of success.

The manuals usually are readily available for most models on eBay and other sources; but be sure to get one that has your specific year and model in it as there are differences between the various KZ650 models. I do not recommend Clymers, Haynes, or other aftermarket manuals as I have seen instances where they provide inaccurate advice. You may decide to use those to supplement the factory manual, but in my opinion they are not a suitable substitute. If you have trouble finding one for your model ask us to help.


TOOLS

WARNING! Do not even try to use Phillips screwdrivers on the Kawasaki cross head screws. Despite their appearance they are not Phillips screws. They are Japanese Industrial Standard (JIS) screws. The tips of Phillips screwdrivers are too long & pointed to allow the 4 blades of the screwdriver to properly engage the screws, so when you apply force the screw head slots will deform and look like crap. The fact is that Phillips screws were deliberately designed to have the screwdriver bit "cam out." This was done to prevent production line assembly from over-tightening, stripping, or breaking the screws. JIS screws do not have this problem. A proper fitting JIS bit can tighten a JIS screw to and beyond the torque spec without camming out. Here's the good news - you can easily modify standard Phillips screwdriver tips to fit the JIS screws.

I have ground down the tips of DeWalt #2 and DeWalt #3 Phillips to make them fit JIS screws. The large crosshead screws on the cases take modified #3 bits (or genuine #3 JIS bits). To modify the DeWalt bits you need to grind the very tip a little, then test fit, then grind a little more and test fit, etc. until the bit no longer "rocks" back and forth in the screwhead. Picture 1 below shows how a DeWalt #3 bit fits the case screws of my KZ650 after being ground properly. The #2 DeWalt bits can be modified the same way to fit smaller JIS screws. Pictures 2 and 3 below shows DeWalt #2 and #3 modified bits.

I did find a place that sells authentic JIS bits. They don't list the #3 bit, but if you contact them they can provide the #3 JIS bits even though they are not listed on the website. These folks were very easy to work with, and the authentic bits do work great. Here's their site:

www.rjrcooltools.com/shop_item_detail.cfm?subcat_ID=89

Pictures 4 & 5 below show a comparison between my home made modified bits with the authentic JIS bits.

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Before reaching for that wrench or ratchet consider the following. The bolts are steel, but your engine and front forks are aluminum. The bolts are much tougher than the aluminum and if over tightened will strip the aluminum threads. Although these can be repaired, preventing damage by applying proper torque will save you grief, time, and money. Tightening fasteners properly requires torque wrenches. Various vendors, including Snap-on, CDI, Sears, etc., market torque wrenches. The two most popular types are the bar type and micrometer type. Either will work, but the micrometer type is a bit easier to use, especially if you are tightening several fasteners with the same torque - such as cylinder head covers. You will need a torque wrench calibrated in INCH POUNDS for many of the bolts. You will also need a torque wrench calibrated in FOOT POUNDS for the larger bolts. Don't try to use the foot pounds wrench on the smaller bolts as it will not be sensitive enough at low torque settings to provide accurate torque. There are many fasteners that require low torque. These include such things as 6mm oil pan bolts, cylinder head cover bolts, etc. for which the torque in 61-78 inch pounds. These low torque bolts require a wrench that is accurate at low settings and this wrench should be graduated in inch pounds. In addition, there are numerous high torque fasteners such as the front axle nuts (51 - 65 foot pounds) or swing arm pivot shaft nuts (58 - 87 foot pounds). These require a wrench that is accurate at higher settings; this wrench should be graduated in foot pounds. Using the proper torque wrenches to correctly tighten fasteners will help prevent damage and contribute to a safe bike. The Kawasaki Service Manual will list the various torque specs for the bolts. I suggest you get the manual before buying the torque wrenches so you can decide which wrenches best meet the torque specs.

Consider buying a can of Kroil penetrating oil and use it to soak stubborn fasteners for a couple days before trying to loosen them. Remember, the original screws and bolts were installed on your bike when Jimmy Carter was President, so many of them may be hard to remove. Kroil can be bought online, at guns shows, and at some other venues.


MOTOR OIL
The ingredients in oils have changed over the years. For example, today's Castrol GTX oil (and pretty much all other AUTOMOBILE oil) is not the same as it was in the 1980's. Back then it worked great in KZ bikes. But, things have changed. Early AUTOMOBILE oils contained zinc phosphorus compounds (ZDDP) to protect engine components from metal to metal contact. This was good for engines, but it was found to be destructive to catalytic converters. Consequently, in AUTOMOBILE oils ZDDP was virtually eliminated and replaced with different chemistry generically referred to as "Friction Modifiers." These work fine and offer good protection for normal AUTOMOBILE engines. However, today's AUTOMOBILE oil "Friction Modifiers" are destructive to wet clutches. KZ bikes (and many other brands) have wet clutches. As a result of these oil chemistry changes a distinction needed to be made between those oils which are suitable for wet clutches and those which are not. That distinction was documented by the Japanese Engine Oil Standards Implementation Panel (JASO). JASO developed a number of different oil specifications for different applications. The specifications that apply to 4 stroke motorcycles fall under the "4T Specifications." Within the 4T specifications the JASO MA class oils are specifically formulated for 4 stroke motorcycles with wet clutches.

There are synthetic, semi-synthetic, and non-synthetic oils that meet the JASO-MA standard and any of them will work ok. However, using oils that are not designated as meeting the JASO-MA standard is destructive to KZ clutches.

Good luck with your bike. Ed

1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)

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20 Sep 2015 10:47 - 20 Sep 2015 10:48 #691027 by SWest
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Welcome. A manual, even if it's a Climer. :ohmy:
Valve adjustment, guys run them until it starts running bad and off them on some poor schnook. It takes time, work and a little money. Some guys are just too stupid or cheap.
3/8's hand impact. A must for every tool box.


Chrome polish without grit.
Good quality spray paint and blue tape. You'll be amased at what a few hours will do.





Light sand paper and different kinds of steel wool, course,medium and fine. To make the aluminum look like new.
That should keep you buisy for a while. :whistle:
Steve
Oh, Pics need pics. :woohoo:
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21 Sep 2015 03:38 #691136 by kzent
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Wow, thanks for all the replies to my initial post! I have lots of information to read and learn. I will post more photos later today. Thanks everyone. I am looking forward to new friends and fun with bikes!

By the way, my initials are KZ (Kevin Zent) How cool is that!

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Nothing worth doing is easy.

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21 Sep 2015 04:20 #691143 by KZJOE900
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kzent wrote: By the way, my initials are KZ (Kevin Zent) How cool is that!


That does fit in the scheme here quite nicely, I'm jealous, LOL!

Current project 76 KZ900 (This was a Vetter model)
76 KZ900
81 XJ550H SECA (Current Project)
82 XJ550R SECA
Past:
86 FJ1200
74 Z1900
72 CB450

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21 Sep 2015 04:30 #691147 by SWest
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21 Sep 2015 04:47 #691148 by kzent
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Nice!

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21 Sep 2015 04:59 #691152 by kzent
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How do I post them, start a new thread? Thanks.

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21 Sep 2015 05:52 #691157 by KZJOE900
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kzent wrote: How do I post them, start a new thread? Thanks.


Here is Patton's standard picture posting how-to thread:

www.kzrider.com/forum/8-about-the-site/5...posting-pics-is-easy

Current project 76 KZ900 (This was a Vetter model)
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81 XJ550H SECA (Current Project)
82 XJ550R SECA
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74 Z1900
72 CB450

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