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15 Jan 2015 08:52 #658763 by Gaucho
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Hello everybody,
NFG from Miami here. Glad to be part of the KZ family. Already taking in lots of info on this beautiful machines.
I'm new to the KZ's. Purchased my 78 KZ650 on Xmas eve (eBay is a dangerous place :) ) and the bike
just arrived to my door this week.
Very sweet bike. Looking forward to ride and share experiences on the bike.
Regards,
Gaucho

Hey, it may be flat in Florida, but it sure beats shoveling snow! :-)

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15 Jan 2015 09:01 #658765 by Mcdroid
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Is that your new motorcycle in your avatar? Please tell me you plan to keep it that way and not make a 'brat' bike or somesuch of it. Welcome to KZR :)

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15 Jan 2015 10:03 #658769 by 650ed
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Welcome aboard! I agree with Mcdroid 100%! There aren't many nice survivors left out there, and they always attract attention. If the bike is the one in the avatar you have a gem!

Here are some tips that you may find helpful:

Many newbies and not so newbies run into or issues with their bikes which could be easily avoided with a little preparation or information. Here are a couple recommendations that I hope you will find useful.

Before riding your KZ you should take a little time to become familiar with it. Simple things like checking the oil, tire pressures, etc. are explained in the Kawasaki Owner's Manual. If you bike didn't come with one (they normally are in a little holder on the bottom of the seat) you can usually find one on eBay - be sure to get one for your exact year/model.


MANUAL

You really should consider buying the Kawasaki Factory Service Manual for your bike. The factory service manual provides instructions on the various maintenance procedures and schedules for your bike, procedures for diagnosing problems, proper torque values for the various fasteners (VERY IMPORTANT), and insight into how each system on your bike works even if you are not repairing that system. Studying the manual before you attempt performing service on your bike will impart an understanding of the system you are working on which will increase the odds of success.

The manuals usually are readily available for most models on eBay and other sources; but be sure to get one that has your specific year and model in it as there are differences between the various KZ650 models. I do not recommend Clymers, Haynes, or other aftermarket manuals as I have seen instances where they provide inaccurate advice. You may decide to use those to supplement the factory manual, but in my opinion they are not a suitable substitute. If you have trouble finding one for your model ask us to help.


TOOLS

WARNING! Do not even try to use Phillips screwdrivers on the Kawasaki cross head screws. Despite their appearance they are not Phillips screws. They are Japanese Industrial Standard (JIS) screws. The tips of Phillips screwdrivers are too long & pointed to allow the 4 blades of the screwdriver to properly engage the screws, so when you apply force the screw head slots will deform and look like crap. The fact is that Phillips screws were deliberately designed to have the screwdriver bit "cam out." This was done to prevent production line assembly from over-tightening, stripping, or breaking the screws. JIS screws do not have this problem. A proper fitting JIS bit can tighten a JIS screw to and beyond the torque spec without camming out. Here's the good news - you can easily modify standard Phillips screwdriver tips to fit the JIS screws.

I have ground down the tips of DeWalt #2 and DeWalt #3 Phillips to make them fit JIS screws. The large crosshead screws on the cases take modified #3 bits (or genuine #3 JIS bits). To modify the DeWalt bits you need to grind the very tip a little, then test fit, then grind a little more and test fit, etc. until the bit no longer "rocks" back and forth in the screwhead. Picture 1 below shows how a DeWalt #3 bit fits the case screws of my KZ650 after being ground properly. The #2 DeWalt bits can be modified the same way to fit smaller JIS screws. Pictures 2 and 3 below shows DeWalt #2 and #3 modified bits.

I did find a place that sells authentic JIS bits. They don't list the #3 bit, but if you contact them they can provide the #3 JIS bits even though they are not listed on the website. These folks were very easy to work with, and the authentic bits do work great. Here's their site:

www.rjrcooltools.com/shop_item_detail.cfm?subcat_ID=89

Pictures 4 & 5 below show a comparison between my home made modified bits with the authentic JIS bits.

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Before reaching for that wrench or ratchet consider the following. The bolts are steel, but your engine and front forks are aluminum. The bolts are much tougher than the aluminum and if over tightened will strip the aluminum threads. Although these can be repaired, preventing damage by applying proper torque will save you grief, time, and money. Tightening fasteners properly requires torque wrenches. Various vendors, including Snap-on, CDI, Sears, etc., market torque wrenches. The two most popular types are the bar type and micrometer type. Either will work, but the micrometer type is a bit easier to use, especially if you are tightening several fasteners with the same torque - such as cylinder head covers. You will need a torque wrench calibrated in INCH POUNDS for many of the bolts. You will also need a torque wrench calibrated in FOOT POUNDS for the larger bolts. Don't try to use the foot pounds wrench on the smaller bolts as it will not be sensitive enough at low torque settings to provide accurate torque. There are many fasteners that require low torque. These include such things as 6mm oil pan bolts, cylinder head cover bolts, etc. for which the torque in 61-78 inch pounds. These low torque bolts require a wrench that is accurate at low settings and this wrench should be graduated in inch pounds. In addition, there are numerous high torque fasteners such as the front axle nuts (51 - 65 foot pounds) or swing arm pivot shaft nuts (58 - 87 foot pounds). These require a wrench that is accurate at higher settings; this wrench should be graduated in foot pounds. Using the proper torque wrenches to correctly tighten fasteners will help prevent damage and contribute to a safe bike. The Kawasaki Service Manual will list the various torque specs for the bolts. I suggest you get the manual before buying the torque wrenches so you can decide which wrenches best meet the torque specs.

Consider buying a can of Kroil penetrating oil and use it to soak stubborn fasteners for a couple days before trying to loosen them. Remember, the original screws and bolts were installed on your bike when Jimmy Carter was President, so many of them may be hard to remove. Kroil can be bought online, at guns shows, and at some other venues.


MOTOR OIL
The ingredients in oils have changed over the years. For example, today's Castrol GTX oil (and pretty much all other AUTOMOBILE oil) is not the same as it was in the 1980's. Back then it worked great in KZ bikes. But, things have changed. Early AUTOMOBILE oils contained zinc phosphorus compounds (ZDDP) to protect engine components from metal to metal contact. This was good for engines, but it was found to be destructive to catalytic converters. Consequently, in AUTOMOBILE oils ZDDP was virtually eliminated and replaced with different chemistry generically referred to as "Friction Modifiers." These work fine and offer good protection for normal AUTOMOBILE engines. However, today's AUTOMOBILE oil "Friction Modifiers" are destructive to wet clutches. KZ bikes (and many other brands) have wet clutches. As a result of these oil chemistry changes a distinction needed to be made between those oils which are suitable for wet clutches and those which are not. That distinction was documented by the Japanese Engine Oil Standards Implementation Panel (JASO). JASO developed a number of different oil specifications for different applications. The specifications that apply to 4 stroke motorcycles fall under the "4T Specifications." Within the 4T specifications the JASO MA class oils are specifically formulated for 4 stroke motorcycles with wet clutches.

There are synthetic, semi-synthetic, and non-synthetic oils that meet the JASO-MA standard and any of them will work ok. However, using oils that are not designated as meeting the JASO-MA standard is destructive to KZ clutches.

Good luck with your "new" bike. Ed

1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)

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15 Jan 2015 10:15 #658771 by KZJOE900
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Welcome Gaucho, I'm bit north of you in central florida. Bike looks really nice. Looks to be a survivor. Down here we are in the right part of year for riding. Gets too hot to ride after April. I usually only ride in the evenings or early mornings in the summertime. But I like to be suited up with proper gear when I ride. Check all the safety components before you go for any length of ride. Tires (age, condition), inspect front and rear brakes, chain, etc. I make it a habit of checking the torque on bolts and nuts for safety related items as well (rear axle castle nut and cotter pin, front fork tube nuts, handlebar nuts, shock absorber nuts, swing arm and triple tree nuts). Takes about 15 min to check them all. You might be surprised what on what you find.

Current project 76 KZ900 (This was a Vetter model)
76 KZ900
81 XJ550H SECA (Current Project)
82 XJ550R SECA
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86 FJ1200
74 Z1900
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15 Jan 2015 10:59 #658775 by Gaucho
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Thank you guys for the warm welcome and great info. The bike has 11K original miles and definetely will stay stock as long as is in my power. :)
Yes the bike is the one on the avatar.
I don't mind to perform some modifications that can enhace function of old systems, like a new fuse box, etc. But for the most part, when it comes to higly modifyng a bike, I prefer to buy beaters or "parts bikes" and bring them back to life. They were going to the junkyard anyway.
Love the vibe of this forum!
Gaucho

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15 Jan 2015 14:57 #658793 by rstnick
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Welcome Gaucho.
Looks like you've found yourself a very nice KZ!
Do post up some larger pictures of her.

B)

Rob
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16 Jan 2015 07:37 #658830 by Gaucho
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Here it is:

Hey, it may be flat in Florida, but it sure beats shoveling snow! :-)

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16 Jan 2015 07:38 #658831 by Gaucho
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Try again, :S

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Hey, it may be flat in Florida, but it sure beats shoveling snow! :-)
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16 Jan 2015 07:40 #658832 by Gaucho
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Not related but my latest build.
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16 Jan 2015 07:42 #658833 by Grumpy Ole Artist
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WOW, Gaucho! VERY nice find! A beautiful survivor! (Get a FSM, you won't regret it!) Moto con cuidado!

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16 Jan 2015 09:55 #658842 by 650ed
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WOW! That KZ650 definitely spent it life in a garage (or someone's living room). Usually the red paint goes bad before long. I'm really glad to see that you intend to keep it stock; that's one bike that would be hard to find that nice again. Very nice indeed! Great find! Ed

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16 Jan 2015 14:48 #658865 by DoctoRot
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Gaucho wrote: Try again, :S

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Wow that is mint! Is that the original paint? I have never seen the red not faded.

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