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NOAA's US temperature record shows that US was warmest in the 1930's and has generally cooled as CO2 has increased.  This wrecks greenhouse gas theory, so they "adjust" the data to make it look like the US is warming.

That is for the US only.  It isn't representative of the entire world.

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So you're saying Chem Trails don't exist?
Steve

Define what you mean by the term Chem Trails.



 

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HRM, ti trust you knowledge. Look at the site I posted and see if the data there is correct. According to their calculations CO2 can’t be the heat trapping gas as claimed. I’m holding an open mind. I like data, not the government tell us “it true because we said so”. That seems to be the standard theme. It so because we say so and if you challenge it your doxed. If we can discuss it then we can’t find the truth.

Apologies for not checking out the link when you first posted.  I went back to it and did a bit of leg work to understand who was behind the website.  It appears to be the writing of one "Doctor" Gary Novak, who makes himself out to be a physicist.  He has another site called Nov79 Science Errors, where he claims all physicists are liars, along with other claims that every prominent physicist over the last 200 or so years is either wrong or missed something in their calculations.  On that same site there is a page where he describes himself and his education.  This should get you there if you copy and past into your browser.  I don't know what to make of the guy.  He's not a physicist and not a climate scientist.  There is a some truth in the stuff he wrote, but mostly falsehoods.  I think he throws technical terms like "radiative transfer equations" into his writing to impress people.  I don't think he really understands the physics behind climate change.  A far better site, written by a PhD physicist is this one.  scienceofdoom.com. Among other things, he has an 8 part series on CO2 that is tough for some people to understand because it's got some math to understand, but is quite readable I think.  Every section is followed by comments from physicists around the world, so he isn't getting away with anything false or phoney.  

I have another source, my son, who has an MSc in physics and a PhD in Math.  I use him to explain things to this engineer who has been out of school for many decades.  

nov79.com/about4.html

 

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So you're saying Chem Trails don't exist?
Steve

Define what you mean by the term Chem Trails.

Now who's "copping out? 
Steve
t.me/chem_trails/2




 

HRM, on all fairness the guy James Hansen, seems to have  missed on several predictions he made in 1988

Check this out. 

A few days ago I researched hurricanes that had made landfall. The decade with the most was 1940-1949, with 23 and and average strength of 2.17 our most recent decade of 2010-2019 there was 13 hurricanes total with three years that had none, there strength was 2.0 average. But yet climate alarmist are saying there are more and the intensity is stronger. I’m not seeing it. 

www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/All_U.S._Hurricanes.html

Here’s 1200 climate experts that claim climate change is a hoax.

www.thequint.com/climate-change/1200-sci...real-heres-the-truth

This guy (Ottmar Edenhofer) says the quiet part out loud. 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottmar_Edenhofer

www.quora.com/Why-did-Ottmar-Edenhofer-t...0&target_type=answer

Our car club went to an old winery here in Australia (Coonawarra) on the weekend.  They have a museum with some history stuff - one of the things they had where charts of temperature and rainfall kept by the wine makers.
These charts went back about 70 years and are on big boards.  Now the winemakers keep these records to track yield and quality, they have absolutely no reason to fudge the truth.
The charts have a mean average line through them, the interesting thing was when you stood back and looked at the charts the lines went in the same swoop lines above the mean average then below the mean average in about 5 to 7 year cycles.

noconsensus.wordpress.com

Headline: Zero Change in the Rate of Sea Level Rise-for ALL of Recorded History.

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NOAA's US temperature record shows that US was warmest in the 1930's and has generally cooled as CO2 has increased.  This wrecks greenhouse gas theory, so they "adjust" the data to make it look like the US is warming.

That is for the US only.  It isn't representative of the entire world.

So they fudged the US numbers but are credible otherwise?
 

Interesting article from 1989