KZR's Bikes of the Month for 2024

The rusty hulk

  • 73z1
  • Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
More
19 Jun 2020 10:01 #828463 by 73z1
Replied by 73z1 on topic The rusty hulk
Needle od is correct .099"
Jet needle .105" (perhaps .107")
Main jet is correct .044"
Cylinder #1 way to rich, suspected plunger, not sure now, something not right.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • slmjim+Z1BEBE
  • Offline
  • User
  • Enjoy Life! IT HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE!
More
20 Jun 2020 06:27 #828514 by slmjim+Z1BEBE
Replied by slmjim+Z1BEBE on topic The rusty hulk
Mmmm.... brain fart talking about the '75 carbs.

Assuming correct fuel level, swap plungers & see if the problem follows the plunger.

Good Ridin'
slmjim & Z1BEBE

A biker looks at your engine and chrome.
A Rider looks at your odometer and tags.

1973 ('72 builds) Z1 x2
1974 Z1-A x2
1975 Z1-B x2
1993 CB 750 Nighthawk x2
2009 ST1300A

www.kawasaki-z-classik.com
An enthusiast's forum focused exclusively
on all things Z1, Z2 and KZ900.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • 73z1
  • Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
More
20 Jun 2020 07:07 #828516 by 73z1
Replied by 73z1 on topic The rusty hulk
I swapped plungers, #1 stayed very rich.
Disassembled carb #1 and measured parts with rods and micrometer.
Needle jet is .117" (.002" over size) other parts correct size.
I disassembled two more carbs this morning, needle jets are .115"
Hard to believe .002" has the effect I see.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • slmjim+Z1BEBE
  • Offline
  • User
  • Enjoy Life! IT HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE!
More
21 Jun 2020 19:54 #828636 by slmjim+Z1BEBE
Replied by slmjim+Z1BEBE on topic The rusty hulk
Yeah, .002 doesn't sound like enough to richen the mix by much. Of one was a real glutton for punishment, needle jets could be pressed out of another carb & swapped.

Voltage drop (usually through the ignition switch) at the coil primary can cause plug fouling, but that should manifest on all plugs. Is full battery voltage available at the coil primaries?

This might be a longshot, and will only work if you have the OEM clear tube fuel level tool or something similar for early Z1 carbs with the 17mm plugs:
With the carbs on the engine, install the tube tool on the suspect carb & secure the tube such that it can be easily seen & won't dump fuel. Start the bike & observe if vibration causes fuel level to rise above spec. If so, needle valve and/or seat might be suspect. Otherwise, we got nuthin' :huh: .

Good Ridin'
slmjim & Z1BEBE

A biker looks at your engine and chrome.
A Rider looks at your odometer and tags.

1973 ('72 builds) Z1 x2
1974 Z1-A x2
1975 Z1-B x2
1993 CB 750 Nighthawk x2
2009 ST1300A

www.kawasaki-z-classik.com
An enthusiast's forum focused exclusively
on all things Z1, Z2 and KZ900.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • hardrockminer
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
More
22 Jun 2020 05:23 #828648 by hardrockminer
Replied by hardrockminer on topic The rusty hulk
Needle jets will wear over time due to the action of the needle on the downstream side of the jet. (It rubs.) This is a recommended check point in the Kawasaki carburetor training manual. It's one of the few wear parts in the carbs, and yes, a 0.002" gap will make a hell of a difference to fuel flow.

What about the needle? Is it a 5J9? It's important that the correct needle is used to provide the correct fuel flow. Maybe someone changed out that needle and replaced with something else?

I have several restored bikes along with a 2006 Goldwing with a sidecar. My wife has a 2019 Suzuki DR 650 for on and off road.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
22 Jun 2020 07:20 #828654 by Kidkawie
Replied by Kidkawie on topic The rusty hulk
One of my 2 strokes had an issue running rich, like hardrockminer said, the needle jet was worn. From research, they wear oval. Not a replacement part for me so I had to buy a new carb.

1975 Z1 900
1994 KX250 Supermoto
2004 KX125

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • 73z1
  • Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
More
23 Jun 2020 04:25 #828711 by 73z1
Replied by 73z1 on topic The rusty hulk
Thanks for the comments.
#1 plug is tan with spare carb.
Currently have air screw at 2.5 turns out to lean mix, still very rich.
Ordered some needle jets, will report when they arrive.
I've owned ten of these, never seen this before.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • 73z1
  • Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
More
29 Sep 2020 04:43 #835829 by 73z1
Replied by 73z1 on topic The rusty hulk
The rusty hulk, version 2020

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
29 Sep 2020 11:17 #835866 by Mikaw
Replied by Mikaw on topic The rusty hulk
Hang on and don’t blink. The last one was over quickly.:woohoo:

1976 KZ 900 A4 kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/613548-1976-kz-900-a4
1976 KZ 900 B1 LTD
1978 KZ 1000 B2 LTD
1980 KZ 750 E1
Kowledge Speaks, But Wisdom Listens.
Jimi Hendrix.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • 73z1
  • Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
More
30 Sep 2020 08:38 - 30 Sep 2020 08:40 #835911 by 73z1
Replied by 73z1 on topic The rusty hulk
>>> "Hang on and don’t blink. The last one was over quickly"
Working on Z1, H1, H2 at same time.
Wow, what a pile of parts !
Last edit: 30 Sep 2020 08:40 by 73z1.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • 73z1
  • Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
More
30 Sep 2020 08:39 #835912 by 73z1
Replied by 73z1 on topic The rusty hulk

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • 73z1
  • Topic Author
  • Offline
  • Sustaining Member
More
16 Oct 2020 14:16 #837019 by 73z1
Replied by 73z1 on topic The rusty hulk
Anyone seen this ?

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Powered by Kunena Forum

If you like KZR Please consider making a donation. Thank you.

KZRider is free, but not without cost.

Please consider chipping in a few bucks to help cover the cost of running the KZR servers.