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17 Sep 2019 17:25 #810990 by Nessism
Replied by Nessism on topic New Owner of KZ650
That carb video is all well and good but with a 40 year old carb there is more to do than just poke some jets clean. All the various O-rings for example will be hard and brittle, particularly those on the interconnection tubes, and the only way to get at those is to ungang the carbs. Yes, more work, but the only way to properly clean and restore the carbs. And don't buy "carb kits" thinking you can just replace some parts to restore the carbs. It doesn't work that way and the aftermarket carb jets are typically inferior to the originals so it pays to do the job right and clean the originals you already have. That way is cheaper too.

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18 Sep 2019 06:36 - 18 Sep 2019 06:38 #811011 by lakshan
Replied by lakshan on topic New Owner of KZ650

650ed wrote: I don't get it - why install those spark plugs? Notice those are RESISTOR plugs, but your 1977 KZ650 was not designed to use resistor plugs. Instead you should use Denso (ND) W22ES-U plugs. I've owned my 1977 KZ650-C1 for more than 42 years (62,000 miles) and that what I use. They last a VERY long time; longer than most folks keep their bikes.


I looked up the NGK stock number and noticed they had iridium versions that also fit. Looked at a few posts around the forum and saw some people had good use out of em so I thought they'd be good. They are good choices for my other cars. The guide said they fit but I didn't realize they are resistor plugs on a non resistor bike. Thanks for the info! I will pick up these Denso plugs instead.


KZB2 650 wrote: ...... and am so glad I read you switching out the Mobil one for Rotella since you suspected it causing your Starter clutch to slip......... after switching to M1 I right away had SC slippage and read that a few others did too.......... I then gave this advice out and kind of felt like maybe I sounded a little crazy suspecting the oil but with you thinking it too I feel better. Am thinking you might still need to tear into it soon but at least for now you bought yourself a little time.

By the way nice bike lakshan .... your gonna love it ........ and being from Canada you can take your time over the winter and have it all ready by spring.


Thanks for the recommendation on oil guys, I'll try the Rotella and/or stick with JASO-MA certified oils. And yes, the plan is to tinker at it over the cold months :) lots of time to learn and get familiar.


Nessism wrote: That carb video is all well and good but with a 40 year old carb there is more to do than just poke some jets clean. All the various O-rings for example will be hard and brittle, particularly those on the interconnection tubes, and the only way to get at those is to ungang the carbs. Yes, more work, but the only way to properly clean and restore the carbs. And don't buy "carb kits" thinking you can just replace some parts to restore the carbs. It doesn't work that way and the aftermarket carb jets are typically inferior to the originals so it pays to do the job right and clean the originals you already have. That way is cheaper too.


Thanks Nessism, I would always tend to do it right the first time, I figured the video was similar to our bikes but thanks for pointing out it's not as simple. I'm trying to find some how-tos as I'm very new to this whole process. Are you saying I would need new o rings? Any other oem parts to replace? Anything else I should keep an eye out for?

Also found this after reading more forum posts www.kzrider.com/jdownloads/General/Gener...ethod_for_vm_28s.pdf

Bikes in general are still a black box to me and I'm just starting to get into it so any and all information helps a ton. Thanks again guys!

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26 Sep 2019 09:42 #811388 by lakshan
Replied by lakshan on topic New Owner of KZ650
For the Shell Rotella T6, do you guys use the 5W-40 or 15W-40 oil? They don't come in the 10w-40 variant.

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27 Sep 2019 05:02 - 27 Sep 2019 05:09 #811417 by hugo
Replied by hugo on topic New Owner of KZ650
Depending on where you live. The 40 is the important number; that is the oil weight or viscosity a normal temperature. The 5W, 10W, or 15W that is the 'Winter" designation, meaning how it behaves when is cold. To simplify; a 10W-40, would behave like 40 in summer, and would behave like 10 and very cold winters.

.....the closer to the Equator, the less you care about the "Winter"designation number. The farther, the lower you want that number. 10W is simply specified as average, as the manufacturer, does not know where you live.
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02 Oct 2019 04:38 #811607 by harm
Replied by harm on topic New Owner of KZ650
Like the others have said, Great bike! I wish I would have never sold mine. It looks like you got some great advice. Have fun!

Tom
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04 Oct 2019 12:32 #811794 by lakshan
Replied by lakshan on topic New Owner of KZ650
Thanks guys!

So before I start, I wanted to make sure I have covered everything before an initial start up. I've been reading other posts and just looking to get a consolidated list of things.

Clean / rebuild carbs ( have new carb kits)
Replace Battery ( new Yuasa battery ready )
Replace spark plugs ( NGK parts ready )
Change oil ( Shell T6 ready )
Change oil filter ( Kawi oem filter )
Remove old gas and clean tank ( www.revzilla.com/common-tread/how-to-cle...-motorcycle-gas-tank )
Carb sync ( still need to buy sync tool, any recommendations? )
Check/adjust valve clearances ( still need feeler gauges )
New gaskets after adjustment

I know there's other stuff to check but first goal here is to just get her running so I'm prioritizing based on that goal.

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04 Oct 2019 13:36 #811799 by 650ed
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Here's what I use to sync my 1977 KZ650 carbs. These gauges work great. Earlier I had a slightly cheaper set of gauges, and one of them was crap,so I got rid of them. Ed




1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)
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04 Oct 2019 18:23 #811821 by Mikaw
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Dang 650ed, those gauges are nicer than my bike... Sure put my carbtune pro mercurys to same... where did you get them???

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04 Oct 2019 20:03 - 05 Oct 2019 06:26 #811829 by 650ed
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A friend gave them to me when he sold his bike. :) I think they are sold by K&L. Ed

1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)
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05 Oct 2019 18:55 #811898 by TexasKZ
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I couldn't find them on the K&L website, but it looks like Z1E sells a similar set.

www.z1enterprises.com/vacuum-gauge-set.html

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2000 ZRX1100 not ridden enough

www.kzrider.com/11-projects/620336-anoth...uild-thread?start=24

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07 Oct 2019 10:15 #811995 by lakshan
Replied by lakshan on topic New Owner of KZ650
Wow those do look nice. Hoping to find something local, Z1 Shipping to Canada is expensive :(

Tried looking but can't find, what's the vacuum plug size, in case I need an adapter ? 5mm?

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