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81 KZ650H1 Carb rebuild kit? 30 Jul 2016 12:27 #736722

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Just made the purchase on a 81' KZ650H1 in great condition and only 8.1k on the entire bike (my first owned bike too!). The bike is starting up at half choke but seems to be needing a carburetor cleanup, rebuild, and sync. I have looked around and have found kits for the late 70s bikes but have been unable to find any parts beyond the gaskets for the carburetors. Does anyone know of an online source that is selling a complete kit? I haven't torn into the carburetors yet but I'm assuming they are complete as far as parts/jets go. Do y'all think I could get away with just purchasing and replacing gaskets, while just soaking/cleaning the rest of the metal parts in carb cleaner?
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81 KZ650H1 Carb rebuild kit? 30 Jul 2016 12:42 #736724

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I took a look at that site but am still seeing the same issue as elsewhere where the rebuild kits are only through the 79s but nothing for the 1981 which apparently had different carburetors and accelerator pumps inside? I've found conflicting information across the board but seems like the bikes have different carbs installed thus the jetting might be different for those without the accelerator pump.
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81 KZ650H1 Carb rebuild kit? 30 Jul 2016 13:21 #736726

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I ran into the same problem, so I cleaned the carbs, then ordered the gaskets & some other stuff from Z1Enterprises.com. Z1Ent had the starter plunger o-rings & caps. The brass parts were fine, so I didn't replace any of those parts. A Harbor Freight metric nitrile o-ring kit had several sizes that were a good enough fit for the main-jets/bleeder pipe, drain screws & pump nozzles. Be sure to get the correct float bowl gaskets as there are 2 or 3 different ones for the KZ650 w vm24 carbs.

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81 KZ650H1 Carb rebuild kit? 30 Jul 2016 13:30 #736727

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I suggest before buying replacement parts you first look to see if any replacement parts are needed. Replacing parts just for grins can be a big mistake because many aftermarket replacement parts are not as precise as the original parts, so they can cause problems rather than fix them. If you disassemble the carbs be SURE to keep each carb's parts in a container marked with the number of that carb. Mixing parts between carbs can cause problems since parts tend to wear together. Frankly, considering the bike is barely broken in, I would be surprised if any parts are needed. The carbs on a a KZ650 with a mere 8.1k miles on it should be like new inside other than needed to be cleaned if the previous owner let them sit with fuel in them.

Here are some tips that you may find helpful:

Many newbies and not so newbies run into or issues with their bikes which could be easily avoided with a little preparation or information. Here are a couple recommendations that I hope you will find useful.

Before riding your KZ you should take a little time to become familiar with it. Simple things like checking the oil, tire pressures, etc. are explained in the Kawasaki Owner's Manual. If you bike didn't come with one (they normally are in a little holder on the bottom of the seat) you can usually find one on eBay - be sure to get one for your exact year/model.


MANUAL

You really should consider buying the Kawasaki Factory Service Manual for your bike. The factory service manual provides instructions on the various maintenance procedures and schedules for your bike, procedures for diagnosing problems, proper torque values for the various fasteners (VERY IMPORTANT), and insight into how each system on your bike works even if you are not repairing that system. Studying the manual before you attempt performing service on your bike will impart an understanding of the system you are working on which will increase the odds of success.

The manuals usually are readily available for most models on eBay and other sources; but be sure to get one that has your specific year and model in it as there are differences between the various KZ650 models. I do not recommend Clymers, Haynes, or other aftermarket manuals as I have seen instances where they provide inaccurate advice. You may decide to use those to supplement the factory manual, but in my opinion they are not a suitable substitute. If you have trouble finding one for your model ask us to help.


TOOLS

WARNING! Do not even try to use Phillips screwdrivers on the Kawasaki cross head screws. Despite their appearance they are not Phillips screws. They are Japanese Industrial Standard (JIS) screws. The tips of Phillips screwdrivers are too long & pointed to allow the 4 blades of the screwdriver to properly engage the screws, so when you apply force the screw head slots will deform and look like crap. The fact is that Phillips screws were deliberately designed to have the screwdriver bit "cam out." This was done to prevent production line assembly from over-tightening, stripping, or breaking the screws. JIS screws do not have this problem. A proper fitting JIS bit can tighten a JIS screw to and beyond the torque spec without camming out. Here's the good news - you can easily modify standard Phillips screwdriver tips to fit the JIS screws.

I have ground down the tips of DeWalt #2 and DeWalt #3 Phillips to make them fit JIS screws. The large crosshead screws on the cases take modified #3 bits (or genuine #3 JIS bits). To modify the DeWalt bits you need to grind the very tip a little, then test fit, then grind a little more and test fit, etc. until the bit no longer "rocks" back and forth in the screwhead. Picture 1 below shows how a DeWalt #3 bit fits the case screws of my KZ650 after being ground properly. The #2 DeWalt bits can be modified the same way to fit smaller JIS screws. Pictures 2 and 3 below shows DeWalt #2 and #3 modified bits.

I did find a place that sells authentic JIS bits. They don't list the #3 bit, but if you contact them they can provide the #3 JIS bits even though they are not listed on the website. These folks were very easy to work with, and the authentic bits do work great. Here's their site:

www.rjrcooltools.com/shop_item_detail.cfm?subcat_ID=89

Pictures 4 & 5 below show a comparison between my home made modified bits with the authentic JIS bits, and picture 6 shows a comparison between Philips and JIS bit tips.

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PICTURE 6

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Before reaching for that wrench or ratchet consider the following. The bolts are steel, but your engine and front forks are aluminum. The bolts are much tougher than the aluminum and if over tightened will strip the aluminum threads. Although these can be repaired, preventing damage by applying proper torque will save you grief, time, and money. Tightening fasteners properly requires torque wrenches. Various vendors, including Snap-on, CDI, Sears, etc., market torque wrenches. The two most popular types are the bar type and micrometer type. Either will work, but the micrometer type is a bit easier to use, especially if you are tightening several fasteners with the same torque - such as cylinder head covers. You will need a torque wrench calibrated in INCH POUNDS for many of the bolts. You will also need a torque wrench calibrated in FOOT POUNDS for the larger bolts. Don't try to use the foot pounds wrench on the smaller bolts as it will not be sensitive enough at low torque settings to provide accurate torque. There are many fasteners that require low torque. These include such things as 6mm oil pan bolts, cylinder head cover bolts, etc. for which the torque in 61-78 inch pounds. These low torque bolts require a wrench that is accurate at low settings and this wrench should be graduated in inch pounds. In addition, there are numerous high torque fasteners such as the front axle nuts (51 - 65 foot pounds) or swing arm pivot shaft nuts (58 - 87 foot pounds). These require a wrench that is accurate at higher settings; this wrench should be graduated in foot pounds. Using the proper torque wrenches to correctly tighten fasteners will help prevent damage and contribute to a safe bike. The Kawasaki Service Manual will list the various torque specs for the bolts. I suggest you get the manual before buying the torque wrenches so you can decide which wrenches best meet the torque specs.

Consider buying a can of Kroil penetrating oil and use it to soak stubborn fasteners for a couple days before trying to loosen them. Remember, the original screws and bolts were installed on your bike when Jimmy Carter was President, so many of them may be hard to remove. Kroil can be bought online, at guns shows, and at some other venues.


MOTOR OIL
The ingredients in oils have changed over the years. For example, today's Castrol GTX oil (and pretty much all other AUTOMOBILE oil) is not the same as it was in the 1980's. Back then it worked great in KZ bikes. But, things have changed. Early AUTOMOBILE oils contained zinc phosphorus compounds (ZDDP) to protect engine components from metal to metal contact. This was good for engines, but it was found to be destructive to catalytic converters. Consequently, in AUTOMOBILE oils ZDDP was virtually eliminated and replaced with different chemistry generically referred to as "Friction Modifiers." These work fine and offer good protection for normal AUTOMOBILE engines. However, today's AUTOMOBILE oil "Friction Modifiers" are destructive to wet clutches. KZ bikes (and many other brands) have wet clutches. As a result of these oil chemistry changes a distinction needed to be made between those oils which are suitable for wet clutches and those which are not. That distinction was documented by the Japanese Engine Oil Standards Implementation Panel (JASO). JASO developed a number of different oil specifications for different applications. The specifications that apply to 4 stroke motorcycles fall under the "4T Specifications." Within the 4T specifications the JASO MA class oils are specifically formulated for 4 stroke motorcycles with wet clutches.

There are synthetic, semi-synthetic, and non-synthetic oils that meet the JASO-MA standard and any of them will work ok. However, using oils that are not designated as meeting the JASO-MA standard is destructive to KZ clutches.

Good luck with your bike. Ed
1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)
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81 KZ650H1 Carb rebuild kit? 30 Jul 2016 13:38 #736729

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Thanks a lot for the replies, that helps a ton. I'll definitely crack into the cleaning before I order any parts then. I've only dealt with carburetors on lawn care equipment and Chinese GY6 engines in the past which seemed to need rebuilds left and right, so that's what my assumptions were based on. I also luckily did get an original factory Kawasaki manual for the bike from the owner so I am set there. I'll have to dig through and peruse what the book says. Thanks again for the help.
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81 KZ650H1 Carb rebuild kit? 30 Jul 2016 14:19 #736731

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Kawasaki service manual pdf. jarlef z650 . the 1981 KZ650 pdf is in the Files section.

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Whatever you do don't waste money on aftermarket carb kits. Get new O-rings from cycle O-rings.com or Z1 Enterprises and reuse the brass parts after a soak in carb dip.

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