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Replacement of efi with rv34 carbs. What to do with EFI wiring?
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04 Jan 2024 14:27 #893585
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Hi guys, I’m new to forum, have posted in the welcome area.
I’ve restored a 1981 gpz1100b1 bike was running rough, the would be ok, then splutter etc etc. I have found the efi throttle bodies in bad shape, the fast idle cam follower worn out, etc. so I’ve decided to carby Mikuni rs34. So whilst these are coming, I need to understand the ignition tie up with the EFI ECU and what needs to be disabled or jumpered? I know this conversion has been lots of times before so I am looking for information from those who have accomplished this please.
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I’ve restored a 1981 gpz1100b1 bike was running rough, the would be ok, then splutter etc etc. I have found the efi throttle bodies in bad shape, the fast idle cam follower worn out, etc. so I’ve decided to carby Mikuni rs34. So whilst these are coming, I need to understand the ignition tie up with the EFI ECU and what needs to be disabled or jumpered? I know this conversion has been lots of times before so I am looking for information from those who have accomplished this please.
cheers
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04 Jan 2024 23:47 - 05 Jan 2024 07:29 #893608
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'81 GPz 550 D1
'81 GPz 1100 B1 ELR "Tribute" www.kzrider.com/our-forum/11-projects/61...-elr-tribute?start=0
'82 Yamaha YB100 Fizzie
'79 Suzuki GT200 X5 TWO STROKE TWIN - SMOKER!
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If you haven't already, download the KZ1100 manual from here:
kzrider.com/modules/ServiceManuals/GPZ11...R_Service_Manual.pdf
On pages 9-10, 9-11, 9-12, you will see the wiring diagrams for the B1 (both the European and American models are shown)
The only "link" between the ingition system and the EFI electronics is a single 3-pin plug: (could be a 4-pin plug with 3 wires, I can't remember )
The Red wire is Ignition +12V, Black and Green wires are the ignition "pulses" from the ignitor, which are used by the EFI electronics to "synchronise" the injection pulses. "Earth", or "Ground" (0V) is the Black/Yellow wire from the ignitor module . Ensure that the ignitor is properly "Earthed" to the frame for cooling.
If you follow the Black wire from the ignitor you will see that it is also wired to the Tacho instrument in the cluster, via a 4-pin plug, inside the head-light bucket.
Simply un-plug that 3-pin plug and remove all the EFI equipment.
It's that simple.
Given correct air/fuel/compression, the engine will start and run just fine!
H.
On pages 9-10, 9-11, 9-12, you will see the wiring diagrams for the B1 (both the European and American models are shown)
The only "link" between the ingition system and the EFI electronics is a single 3-pin plug: (could be a 4-pin plug with 3 wires, I can't remember )
The Red wire is Ignition +12V, Black and Green wires are the ignition "pulses" from the ignitor, which are used by the EFI electronics to "synchronise" the injection pulses. "Earth", or "Ground" (0V) is the Black/Yellow wire from the ignitor module . Ensure that the ignitor is properly "Earthed" to the frame for cooling.
If you follow the Black wire from the ignitor you will see that it is also wired to the Tacho instrument in the cluster, via a 4-pin plug, inside the head-light bucket.
Simply un-plug that 3-pin plug and remove all the EFI equipment.
It's that simple.
Given correct air/fuel/compression, the engine will start and run just fine!
H.
'81 GPz 550 D1
'81 GPz 1100 B1 ELR "Tribute" www.kzrider.com/our-forum/11-projects/61...-elr-tribute?start=0
'82 Yamaha YB100 Fizzie
'79 Suzuki GT200 X5 TWO STROKE TWIN - SMOKER!
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05 Jan 2024 02:03 #893611
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Thanks very much, I shall have a look at it and follow your instructions.
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jason
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06 Jan 2024 07:20 #893676
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This is helpful as I am performing the same EFI to Carby change on an 80 G1.
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09 Jan 2024 12:14 #893828
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Don't be ridiculous! It's only a flesh wound!
[strike]Wife's little bike... 1984 GPZ 550 Kerker and DynaJet stage I kit[/strike]
Wife's BIG bike......[strike] 1981 GPZ 1100 Kerker and [strike]factory FI[/strike] Mikuni RS34s W/ K&N pods[/strike] SOLD
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I ripped off the FI from my wife's big GPz last year. Off the top of my head, it all just unplugged and it landed in the spare parts pile... if it ever is needed again
Don't be ridiculous! It's only a flesh wound!
[strike]Wife's little bike... 1984 GPZ 550 Kerker and DynaJet stage I kit[/strike]
Wife's BIG bike......[strike] 1981 GPZ 1100 Kerker and [strike]factory FI[/strike] Mikuni RS34s W/ K&N pods[/strike] SOLD
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09 Jan 2024 13:56 #893832
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1977 KZ650 B1
Pods and Denco header
OLD KAW OWNERS SMILE ALOT
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I must say to me that is a great looking machine.
Thank you for the eye candy.
Thank you for the eye candy.
1977 KZ650 B1
Pods and Denco header
OLD KAW OWNERS SMILE ALOT
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09 Jan 2024 16:25 #893834
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02 Feb 2024 23:02 - 02 Feb 2024 23:04 #894767
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Hi all have mounted the carbs etc, but next problem is the petcock is in the way, not wishing to weld into another position, I’m seeking alternatives petcock set up, maybe a remote one bracketed off the frame? What have other people done, that’s not invasive to a freshly painted and internally treated tank?Also need to work out what to do with the breather, maybe a catch can that drains back?
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03 Feb 2024 06:06 - 03 Feb 2024 13:43 #894774
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1982 GPz750
1977 KZ1000A
1978 KZ1000A
1982 GPz1100
1975 Z2A
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If you find the time, search for a members posts (Otakar is the member) and he did a rather clever conversion of a KZ1000M or K model into a GPz-style model. He has like 5000 posts so it will be a time consumptive process. However, he ran into the same issue you did...the petcock interfered with the carbs....and I think he was using a 1981 GPz tank (like you). He had a simple solution to your (and his) dilemma...an inline valve, if I recall.Hi all have mounted the carbs etc, but next problem is the petcock is in the way, not wishing to weld into another position, I’m seeking alternatives petcock set up, maybe a remote one bracketed off the frame? What have other people done, that’s not invasive to a freshly painted and internally treated tank?Also need to work out what to do with the breather, maybe a catch can that drains back?
Michael
Victoria, Texas
1982 GPz750
1977 KZ1000A
1978 KZ1000A
1982 GPz1100
1975 Z2A
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03 Feb 2024 12:36 #894792
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Check out Howard's ELR tribute build, he has done this conversion
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04 Feb 2024 10:28 #894825
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'81 GPz 550 D1
'81 GPz 1100 B1 ELR "Tribute" www.kzrider.com/our-forum/11-projects/61...-elr-tribute?start=0
'82 Yamaha YB100 Fizzie
'79 Suzuki GT200 X5 TWO STROKE TWIN - SMOKER!
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'81 GPz 550 D1
'81 GPz 1100 B1 ELR "Tribute" www.kzrider.com/our-forum/11-projects/61...-elr-tribute?start=0
'82 Yamaha YB100 Fizzie
'79 Suzuki GT200 X5 TWO STROKE TWIN - SMOKER!
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05 Feb 2024 08:16 #894890
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Don't be ridiculous! It's only a flesh wound!
[strike]Wife's little bike... 1984 GPZ 550 Kerker and DynaJet stage I kit[/strike]
Wife's BIG bike......[strike] 1981 GPZ 1100 Kerker and [strike]factory FI[/strike] Mikuni RS34s W/ K&N pods[/strike] SOLD
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I've done the same RS conversion on my wife's bike. It's not a big deal to a competent welder. Have a look...
If you look closely above, you can see that the welder didn't take off any more paint than was needed. Put the tap where you want it and plug the pressure regulator. Easy peasey and done.
If you look closely above, you can see that the welder didn't take off any more paint than was needed. Put the tap where you want it and plug the pressure regulator. Easy peasey and done.
Don't be ridiculous! It's only a flesh wound!
[strike]Wife's little bike... 1984 GPZ 550 Kerker and DynaJet stage I kit[/strike]
Wife's BIG bike......[strike] 1981 GPZ 1100 Kerker and [strike]factory FI[/strike] Mikuni RS34s W/ K&N pods[/strike] SOLD
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