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18 Mar 2023 11:48 #881698 by Andyp62
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I have a 1978 Z650 B2 in the U.K. but it is a us import, it is almost impossible to start the engine unless I spray easy start into the air filter housing, then it starts quite easily and runs perfectly, ticking over around 1000rpm, I have checked the timing with a strobe and it is fine, the carburettors have been vapour cleaned and re built with new jets and gaskets, once it is running everything is fine, any advice very gratefully received.
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1978 Z650 B2, US import to the UK

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18 Mar 2023 12:27 - 18 Mar 2023 13:39 #881700 by Warren3200gt
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Poorly functioning choke system - check all the plungers ar fully lifting when on full choke. The lifter arms arm fairly weak and bend over time. (Assuming vm carbs) 
Renew the o rings on the plunger brass bolt mountings. 
Low compression - 650's should be 160- 180 psi when warm. 
Check voltage at the coils. Should be be full 12+ battery volts. 
All the above will have negative effects on cold starting. 


Z1000J2 somewhat modified!

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18 Mar 2023 14:12 #881707 by Mikaw
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Pleas update us. We need correct information to help you. 

May 2022 you post pictures of sooty plugs and claim it’s brand new Boyer bransden micro digital system. 

Then on October 2022 you post sooty plugs again but claim it all standard ignition. 

 

1976 KZ 900 A4 kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/613548-1976-kz-900-a4
1976 KZ 900 B1 LTD
1978 KZ 1000 B2 LTD
1980 KZ 750 E1
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Jimi Hendrix.

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18 Mar 2023 14:16 #881708 by Mikaw
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Did you put clip in the center grove? Did you do the coil mod. These all will relate to your continuing situation. 

1976 KZ 900 A4 kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/613548-1976-kz-900-a4
1976 KZ 900 B1 LTD
1978 KZ 1000 B2 LTD
1980 KZ 750 E1
Kowledge Speaks, But Wisdom Listens.
Jimi Hendrix.
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18 Mar 2023 14:56 - 18 Mar 2023 15:00 #881713 by Nessism
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The choke pickup passage in the float bowls may be blocked.  Or, the passage in the carb between the brass choke pickup tube, and the choke chamber at the plunger.



 
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18 Mar 2023 16:25 #881733 by Scirocco
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Nessism  gives a very important  info about the cold start procedre (richer air/fuel ratio).
These special points of cleaning the carb enricher circuit is often missing during a "carb rebuild or cleaning".
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19 Mar 2023 09:34 #881774 by Andyp62
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Thanks 

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19 Mar 2023 09:36 #881775 by Andyp62
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I couldn’t get it to run with the electronic ignition system so I put it back to standard with points and mechanical advance retard unit, the plugs are still sooty 

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19 Mar 2023 10:09 - 19 Mar 2023 10:18 #881779 by Mikaw
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Thank you, back in October it was recommended that you clean and service the choke circuit, and check, adjust if necessary the vale lash. Was this ever completed. Again these will cause issues your experience. This forum is fush with very experienced people, they can help diagnose and fix just about any condition, if you choose not to follow the recommendations, your 100% guaranteed to have ongoing issues as your experiencing.


EDIT; Vapor blasting the carbs, if done correctly only changes the visual appearance on the outside of the carb bodies. It’s not a process to deep clean them. A soak in carb dip, then spraying out each and every passage way as suggested is the only way to ensure you have clean correct functioning carburetors. Did you note the Jets sizes? Are they Mikuni brand? Mikuni logo is a small square in the corner of a larger square. Previous owner may have swapped in aftermarket Jets and this also will contribute to tuning issues.

1976 KZ 900 A4 kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/613548-1976-kz-900-a4
1976 KZ 900 B1 LTD
1978 KZ 1000 B2 LTD
1980 KZ 750 E1
Kowledge Speaks, But Wisdom Listens.
Jimi Hendrix.
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19 Mar 2023 18:57 #881803 by LukasLee
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I had a similar problem when trying to start my CB750 that I purchased not running. I had to put gas directly into the carbs to get it to start, I changed pilot jets from 35 to 40, problem solved.

1979 KZ1000 LTD
1978 CB750F
2012 FLHTK
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