6 speed gearbox for the KZ J model

Firestorm3 wrote: Pete
"give"???? "GIVE" - what is this 'GIVE' business Tonto....??!! I might have a bit of money behind me, but I am hardly going to 'give' away a item that cost me $5000+.
Hey, I am generous to myself with buying the Panigale R for my birthday, but that doesn't make THAT generous to other people!!!! LOL!!!

I guess a request for adoption is out of the question then?


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steell wrote:

Firestorm3 wrote: Pete
"give"???? "GIVE" - what is this 'GIVE' business Tonto....??!! I might have a bit of money behind me, but I am hardly going to 'give' away a item that cost me $5000+.
Hey, I am generous to myself with buying the Panigale R for my birthday, but that doesn't make THAT generous to other people!!!! LOL!!!

I guess a request for adoption is out of the question then?

Gee, 'steell', sorry mate, but you might have to wait in line behind my teenage daughter - I am pretty sure she has made a list of things she will do and buy when I 'suddenly and unfortunately' die on my motorbike - caught her looking up the best way to cut brake lines on a motorcycle without getting caught by the cops...... ... LOL!!!

Just hope she does it on the VTR and not the Panigale - the Duke is wayyyy too pretty to crash and burn on....
Wayne

Did the true S1 bikes have 6-speed transmissions? Ed

650ed wrote: Did the true S1 bikes have 6-speed transmissions? Ed

G'day Ed.
No. Just a 5 speed like all of other jap bikes of the era, except it was a CR box unlike any road bike. 6 speeders came in much later, with Kwakasakis it was when they went to the GPZ900r I think.
I am lucky that another forum member Bob ( Dr Gamma ) and I have become mates, Bob used to race a genuine S1 back in the early 80's - kicking himself now that he sold it to a Jap guy and bike resides in Japan. If I need any questions answered, Bob can answer 99% of my questions - the other 1% has slipped out of the grey cells because he is an old c*nt like me!!!!
Aren't you Bob.....???!! LOL!!~! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
As I said, I just want to try a 6 speeder just to be different and I because I can - and I don't want to play around with trying this and that to see if it works. Just wanna put it in and forget about it like I did with the old reliable A4.
Bought that NEW, by the way, in December 1975 as a Christmas present to myself...... see, I was STILL generous to myself back then too....!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!
Also made good friends with 4 guys on the KZ1000R forum - one guy, Peter from Vienna, has done a magnificent S1 replica, and its going to be hard to beat his attention to detail!!!! (picture included ).





Cheers, Ed
Wayne

opps - picture didn't make it, I think. Try again.....

Couple of questions and sorry to go off topic, no more clowning i promise... but is that bright green the same as the factory z1000r R2 colour? looks a bit brighter to me, I like very much and did mine in a later kawasaki racing green.

Also that swing arm, is that from a zrx , or was the zrx modeled on something before that?

No apology needed mate for going off topic but still talking about Kwakasakis all good!!

Knowing Peter, he would have done it to the exact right colour that the S1 came in - and I think (??) that it is the Kwaka Green that the KLR came in - maybe because the picture was taken in bright sun it looks a bit different.
Compare it with a couple of others and a genuine S1 off Ebay ( for US $107600 ) with zero miles on it ....so that would have to be the right colour, yes? The other bike is a race bike in Germany, also a copy, belonging to Klaus who runs a business making stuff for S1 - those S1 copy brakes are his.

The swingarm - mate, that was a one-off special just for the S1. I have posted pictures of mine - the guy who made it was a true artist, the welds are brilliant. I do a lot of welding myself ( and have 6 welders including a lovely $12K Fronius pulse MIG that makes amateurs look professional!!! ) and I can no longer do welds that nice, especially since my hands aren't that steady and eyes are crap.
The thing, I would think you would agree, is a work of art. Note the cam adjusters for back axle, race stand lugs, built in oil catch can - and it is very very light - a perfect replica of the S1 swingarm - and a price to match!!!!
No, and I won't leave you that in my will either, mate.....!!! :laugh:
Cheers
Wayne

Firestorm3 wrote: No apology needed mate for going off topic but still talking about Kwakasakis all good!!

Knowing Peter, he would have done it to the exact right colour that the S1 came in - and I think (??) that it is the Kwaka Green that the KLR came in - maybe because the picture was taken in bright sun it looks a bit different.
Compare it with a couple of others and a genuine S1 off Ebay ( for US $107600 ) with zero miles on it ....so that would have to be the right colour, yes? The other bike is a race bike in Germany, also a copy, belonging to Klaus who runs a business making stuff for S1 - those S1 copy brakes are his.

The swingarm - mate, that was a one-off special just for the S1. I have posted pictures of mine - the guy who made it was a true artist, the welds are brilliant. I do a lot of welding myself ( and have 6 welders including a lovely $12K Fronius pulse MIG that makes amateurs look professional!!! ) and I can no longer do welds that nice, especially since my hands aren't that steady and eyes are crap.
The thing, I would think you would agree, is a work of art. Note the cam adjusters for back axle, race stand lugs, built in oil catch can - and it is very very light - a perfect replica of the S1 swingarm - and a price to match!!!!
No, and I won't leave you that in my will either, mate.....!!! :laugh:
Cheers
Wayne

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Very Nice!

I only read bits and pieces of the posts in this thread... for what you're after in the transmission two thoughts come to mind...

a] you don' need a six speed...but that's my opinion and has nothing to do with satisfying your goal....

b] I would investigate some of the big bore, late model transmissions before laying down a pile of cash for an aftermarket transmission...

Regarding my first comment, If you build the engine properly you'll have so much torque that you can simply use taller final drive sprockets and achieve great results.....

G'day Larry, welcome to this thread!

As I said before, I have no interest in pulling down other engines/gearboxes to see if they will or will not fit. I have neither the time, the inclination or the knowledge of going that route.
I have found someone who make 'good stuff' and people have posted very good comments on their workmanship - and if I buy the 6 speeder from them, I know it will work and I won't have to muck around with modifying and reworking other stuff and hope that it works well.
Whilst I do have a very good workshop of my own ( turret mill, lathe, etc etc ) I will be honest in that my skills are limited and I would rather spend my money on a 'known' product.

As for 5 or 6 speed, with a full 1300cc ( or close enough ) engine it probably would have the torque/power to haul the bike around very well, but you know Larry - all the new race bikes ( including the big torquey 1200cc V twins in World Superbikes ) have 6 speeders and I have NEVER heard or read of a rider coming back into the pits and yell at the team manger that he has too many gears and he really only wants 5 speeds........!!!! The guy who rides my A4 race bike thinks I am nuts spending the big $$$$ on a S1 clone, he would have been quite happy with a superbike 'dunger' with a slightly bigger engine to keep with the other guys with >1000cc. He thinks his capabilities ( he underrates himself, he has done well so far on the A4 987 Yoshi ) as a racer don't make sense to spend the big bucks. Me - in a field of bikes 28-32, I am sick of coming 6th or 8th, I wanna win some races and wipe the smirk off one particular guy who nearly always wins!!! Cost is of LITTLE interest to me to achieve that goal Larry!
Having said that, I don't particularly want to spend >$25,000 getting 5 sets of 6 speeders when I really only need a max of 2 sets and be stuck with 3 sets that I don't need. I ain't THAT silly...!!! Which brings us back to the reason I started this thread.....

Remember, this is a purely RACE bike it will not be ridden on the road whatsoever, mate.

Thanks for your input mate
Cheers
Wayne

Firestorm3 wrote: G'day Larry, welcome to this thread!

As I said before, I have no interest in pulling down other engines/gearboxes to see if they will or will not fit. I have neither the time, the inclination or the knowledge of going that route.
I have found someone who make 'good stuff' and people have posted very good comments on their workmanship - and if I buy the 6 speeder from them, I know it will work and I won't have to muck around with modifying and reworking other stuff and hope that it works well.
Whilst I do have a very good workshop of my own ( turret mill, lathe, etc etc ) I will be honest in that my skills are limited and I would rather spend my money on a 'known' product.

As for 5 or 6 speed, with a full 1300cc ( or close enough ) engine it probably would have the torque/power to haul the bike around very well, but you know Larry - all the new race bikes ( including the big torquey 1200cc V twins in World Superbikes ) have 6 speeders and I have NEVER heard or read of a rider coming back into the pits and yell at the team manger that he has too many gears and he really only wants 5 speeds........!!!! The guy who rides my A4 race bike thinks I am nuts spending the big $$$$ on a S1 clone, he would have been quite happy with a superbike 'dunger' with a slightly bigger engine to keep with the other guys with >1000cc. He thinks his capabilities ( he underrates himself, he has done well so far on the A4 987 Yoshi ) as a racer don't make sense to spend the big bucks. Me - in a field of bikes 28-32, I am sick of coming 6th or 8th, I wanna win some races and wipe the smirk off one particular guy who nearly always wins!!! Cost is of LITTLE interest to me to achieve that goal Larry!
Having said that, I don't particularly want to spend >$25,000 getting 5 sets of 6 speeders when I really only need a max of 2 sets and be stuck with 3 sets that I don't need. I ain't THAT silly...!!! Which brings us back to the reason I started this thread.....

Remember, this is a purely RACE bike it will not be ridden on the road whatsoever, mate.

Thanks for your input mate
Cheers
Wayne

I see... race only situation. There's a lot to be said for bolting something in vs modifying things to make them fit....

If I may ask.....where is the bike lacking that you feel a 6 speed is going to correct that situation?

Exactly my thoughts, Larry ( re: modify or bolt in ).
Probably won't be lacking anywhere, but since we race on some very short twisty circuits and some circuits with very long straights and very sweeping corners mixed up with ( thinking of Phillip Island ) 2 very slow tight corners, having 6 speeds makes less compromise on gearing than with a 5 speed box. It might make only 500rpm difference into one corner but how it pulls from that corner could make all the difference.
As I said before, I don't think anyone who races modern bikes today complains of too many gears!!!
Bob ( Dr Gamma, on this forum ) has already told me I'm daft and just to get a CR 5 speed because that is all he raced with for years and worked OK for him but....... he probably could be very right, but I just would like to try a 6 speeder in a 1300cc S1 clone just to see what it is like.
If it is a waste of time, at least I can say I tried and can tell other people that it might not be worthwhile on a monster engine but might be very good on a smaller cc engine.
How's that sound, mate?
Cheers
Wayne

LarryC wrote:

Firestorm3 wrote: G'day Larry, welcome to this thread!

As I said before, I have no interest in pulling down other engines/gearboxes to see if they will or will not fit. I have neither the time, the inclination or the knowledge of going that route.
I have found someone who make 'good stuff' and people have posted very good comments on their workmanship - and if I buy the 6 speeder from them, I know it will work and I won't have to muck around with modifying and reworking other stuff and hope that it works well.
Whilst I do have a very good workshop of my own ( turret mill, lathe, etc etc ) I will be honest in that my skills are limited and I would rather spend my money on a 'known' product.

As for 5 or 6 speed, with a full 1300cc ( or close enough ) engine it probably would have the torque/power to haul the bike around very well, but you know Larry - all the new race bikes ( including the big torquey 1200cc V twins in World Superbikes ) have 6 speeders and I have NEVER heard or read of a rider coming back into the pits and yell at the team manger that he has too many gears and he really only wants 5 speeds........!!!! The guy who rides my A4 race bike thinks I am nuts spending the big $$$$ on a S1 clone, he would have been quite happy with a superbike 'dunger' with a slightly bigger engine to keep with the other guys with >1000cc. He thinks his capabilities ( he underrates himself, he has done well so far on the A4 987 Yoshi ) as a racer don't make sense to spend the big bucks. Me - in a field of bikes 28-32, I am sick of coming 6th or 8th, I wanna win some races and wipe the smirk off one particular guy who nearly always wins!!! Cost is of LITTLE interest to me to achieve that goal Larry!
Having said that, I don't particularly want to spend >$25,000 getting 5 sets of 6 speeders when I really only need a max of 2 sets and be stuck with 3 sets that I don't need. I ain't THAT silly...!!! Which brings us back to the reason I started this thread.....

Remember, this is a purely RACE bike it will not be ridden on the road whatsoever, mate.

Thanks for your input mate
Cheers
Wayne

I see... race only situation. There's a lot to be said for bolting something in vs modifying things to make them fit....

If I may ask.....where is the bike lacking that you feel a 6 speed is going to correct that situation?

i applaud you for wanting to "give it a go",
and hope that you will keep us informed on your decisions from here.





leon