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28 Nov 2005 00:04 #10589
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1977 Yamaha XS650
2000 Kaw W650
2 KZ440 LTDs , a 79 KZ400H and an 83 Belt Drive
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Hi guys, I'm in the market for my first bike in 25 years. But it will be at least 6 months. My back has to have time to heal and so does my wallet from being off work.
What I want to know, is there a resource to decode a VIN? On ebay for instance (can't get out much with the back injury but I can type and point a mouse) I see a motorcycle listed as an LTD but the side covers don't say LTD. Does it say on the title? Can that be discerned from the VIN? Anyway I am not sure this is the correct forum but I would appreciate any input you have. Thanks.
What I want to know, is there a resource to decode a VIN? On ebay for instance (can't get out much with the back injury but I can type and point a mouse) I see a motorcycle listed as an LTD but the side covers don't say LTD. Does it say on the title? Can that be discerned from the VIN? Anyway I am not sure this is the correct forum but I would appreciate any input you have. Thanks.
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1977 Yamaha XS650
2000 Kaw W650
2 KZ440 LTDs , a 79 KZ400H and an 83 Belt Drive
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28 Nov 2005 01:14 #10591
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1 x 73 Z1 (Jaffa), 74 Z1A, 76 Z900-A4
1 x 73 Yamaha TX500 & 98 fzx250 Zeal
Sydney Australia
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Pumps, all motorcycles have a VIN number. Different makes have there own "code" or configuration, that allows you to determine the manufacturing date and the model.
To list them all would indeed be a feat! However, If you know the make (This forum is Kawasaki) and you quote the VIN, we would be able to determine the model. It would be nice to know approx year and capacity, however, it can be achieved with simply the VIN by some experts here.
There is no code per-se, It is just that each model has a unique number with a unique prefix. most here, including myself, would not be able to identify a VIN outside our range of interest. For example, I know Z's from 1972 to say 1980, yet a Kawasaki 1972 H2 triple would leave me stumbling.
RegardZ
To list them all would indeed be a feat! However, If you know the make (This forum is Kawasaki) and you quote the VIN, we would be able to determine the model. It would be nice to know approx year and capacity, however, it can be achieved with simply the VIN by some experts here.
There is no code per-se, It is just that each model has a unique number with a unique prefix. most here, including myself, would not be able to identify a VIN outside our range of interest. For example, I know Z's from 1972 to say 1980, yet a Kawasaki 1972 H2 triple would leave me stumbling.
RegardZ
1 x 73 Z1 (Jaffa), 74 Z1A, 76 Z900-A4
1 x 73 Yamaha TX500 & 98 fzx250 Zeal
Sydney Australia
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28 Nov 2005 02:45 #10595
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Michael
Victoria, Texas
1982 GPz750
1977 KZ1000A
1978 KZ1000A
1982 GPz1100
1975 Z2A
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pumps:
Let me expand on Garn's reply (and he is correct about the info being specific to models/year/displacement). For example, between 1977-1980 [inclusive] the sixth letter in frame VIN of the KZ1000 model line told you if it was either a LTD model ( or a standard (A). I did not include the 'C' line (Police) as I don't know how they fit in this series, but certainly they all used the same engines. So, the type of info you need in the future is available, but it may differ with respect to displacement and year of production.
Let me expand on Garn's reply (and he is correct about the info being specific to models/year/displacement). For example, between 1977-1980 [inclusive] the sixth letter in frame VIN of the KZ1000 model line told you if it was either a LTD model ( or a standard (A). I did not include the 'C' line (Police) as I don't know how they fit in this series, but certainly they all used the same engines. So, the type of info you need in the future is available, but it may differ with respect to displacement and year of production.
Michael
Victoria, Texas
1982 GPz750
1977 KZ1000A
1978 KZ1000A
1982 GPz1100
1975 Z2A
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28 Nov 2005 05:55 #10617
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wiredgeorge Motorcycle Carburetors
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Pumps... if memory serves, Steve Zedder has vin numbers and engine numbers listed on his web site for various Kaw models. You could perhaps check it out and determine which model you are seeing on eBay. There usually isn't much difference between an LTD and standard model... a shorter front fender, seat, perhaps tank is a shade smaller, graphics/paint and pipes and carb tuning are usually the only differences. Sometimes brakes and forks/shocks but essentially, a standard and LTD are the same bike.
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28 Nov 2005 06:44 #10627
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Michael
Victoria, Texas
1982 GPz750
1977 KZ1000A
1978 KZ1000A
1982 GPz1100
1975 Z2A
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I pulled this from another forum and Jeff answered it better than I could (and I, once again, learned a little more):
There are 6 different major variants of the early KZ1000's and differences within each across the 4 years of the production run (77-80 with the 81
police bike being a holdover of design for that one year).
A is the Standard models
B is the LTD - stepped seat, pullback bars, Jardine exhaust
C is the Police bike - often with fairings, single seat and some different electrical
D is the Z1R - a semi-sportbike look with angular fairing and trim - many different and unique parts on these
E is the shaft drive version - although a few parts will interchange, many more do not
G is the Z1 Classic - fuel injected, some unique parts including the seat(no tail on the bike)
There are four variants of the engines.
77 & 78 (and 79 LTD) use the 15T crank with full flywheels
79 & 80 (except LTD) use the 16T crank (beefier center section of the crank) with a mix of full and half flywheels - aka MK II motor
79 & 80 shaft drive use the 16T crank and have a different clutch,transmission & final drive
80 Z1 Classic uses the MK II motor but it has a different cylinder head with injector ports and different intake manifolds
Jeff Saunders
There are 6 different major variants of the early KZ1000's and differences within each across the 4 years of the production run (77-80 with the 81
police bike being a holdover of design for that one year).
A is the Standard models
B is the LTD - stepped seat, pullback bars, Jardine exhaust
C is the Police bike - often with fairings, single seat and some different electrical
D is the Z1R - a semi-sportbike look with angular fairing and trim - many different and unique parts on these
E is the shaft drive version - although a few parts will interchange, many more do not
G is the Z1 Classic - fuel injected, some unique parts including the seat(no tail on the bike)
There are four variants of the engines.
77 & 78 (and 79 LTD) use the 15T crank with full flywheels
79 & 80 (except LTD) use the 16T crank (beefier center section of the crank) with a mix of full and half flywheels - aka MK II motor
79 & 80 shaft drive use the 16T crank and have a different clutch,transmission & final drive
80 Z1 Classic uses the MK II motor but it has a different cylinder head with injector ports and different intake manifolds
Jeff Saunders
Michael
Victoria, Texas
1982 GPz750
1977 KZ1000A
1978 KZ1000A
1982 GPz1100
1975 Z2A
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28 Nov 2005 07:01 #10633
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'76 KZ900 LTD (Blaze)
'96 Voyager XII (Dark Star)
'79 KZ650 Cafe Project (Dirty Kurt)
Greensboro, NC
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Here is Zedder's link:
zedder.com/msg1.htm
The letter designation in the frame number will help you to determine what model the bike was originally. But over the decades, these bikes have been modified. LTD converted to standards, and vise versa. The bike may have some LTD parts, and some Standard parts because it's all interchangeable.
zedder.com/msg1.htm
The letter designation in the frame number will help you to determine what model the bike was originally. But over the decades, these bikes have been modified. LTD converted to standards, and vise versa. The bike may have some LTD parts, and some Standard parts because it's all interchangeable.
'76 KZ900 LTD (Blaze)
'96 Voyager XII (Dark Star)
'79 KZ650 Cafe Project (Dirty Kurt)
Greensboro, NC
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28 Nov 2005 09:56 #10666
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Petaluma and Truckee, CA -- member since Jan. 23, 2003;
PREVIOUS KZs: 1980 KZ750H with 108,000 miles; 1980 KZ750E with 28,000 miles; and KZ750H street/cafe project, all sold a few years back.
This is what I do for fun, not for work. It is art, with a little engineering thrown in.
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These letter designations mentioned above only relate to the KZ1000 models. For example, on the KZ750 line (1980-84), there is a whole different series of letters. The serial numbers starting with KZ750E are the "standard" models, and those starting with KZ750H are the "LTD" models. There are more, of course.
Also, at least in the KZ750 line-up, the frames and forks on the LTD line are significantly different that the Standard line. The LTD bikes have a greater rake at the steering head, and the forks are longer. The rear frame geometry is a little different as well. It is hard to tell unless you put them side by side, but since I have one of each, I have done that.
Also, at least in the KZ750 line-up, the frames and forks on the LTD line are significantly different that the Standard line. The LTD bikes have a greater rake at the steering head, and the forks are longer. The rear frame geometry is a little different as well. It is hard to tell unless you put them side by side, but since I have one of each, I have done that.
Petaluma and Truckee, CA -- member since Jan. 23, 2003;
PREVIOUS KZs: 1980 KZ750H with 108,000 miles; 1980 KZ750E with 28,000 miles; and KZ750H street/cafe project, all sold a few years back.
This is what I do for fun, not for work. It is art, with a little engineering thrown in.
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28 Nov 2005 17:40 #10743
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1977 Yamaha XS650
2000 Kaw W650
2 KZ440 LTDs , a 79 KZ400H and an 83 Belt Drive
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Thanks guys, you have given me a ton of info! I know I will enjoy being here. Thank you.
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1977 Yamaha XS650
2000 Kaw W650
2 KZ440 LTDs , a 79 KZ400H and an 83 Belt Drive
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