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04 Aug 2023 08:38 #887939
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A breeze from the west.
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A breeze from the west.
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04 Aug 2023 09:20 - 04 Aug 2023 09:22 #887945
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'81 GPz 550 D1
'81 GPz 1100 B1 ELR "Tribute" www.kzrider.com/our-forum/11-projects/61...-elr-tribute?start=0
'82 Yamaha YB100 Fizzie
'79 Suzuki GT200 X5 TWO STROKE TWIN - SMOKER!
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Thank-you!
It's been a whole lot of fun...
Here is an early moning pic. : taken on my way to work yesterday morning, just after Sunrise, 1°C, the Moon setting in the West
H.
It's been a whole lot of fun...
Here is an early moning pic. : taken on my way to work yesterday morning, just after Sunrise, 1°C, the Moon setting in the West
H.
'81 GPz 550 D1
'81 GPz 1100 B1 ELR "Tribute" www.kzrider.com/our-forum/11-projects/61...-elr-tribute?start=0
'82 Yamaha YB100 Fizzie
'79 Suzuki GT200 X5 TWO STROKE TWIN - SMOKER!
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04 Aug 2023 17:45 #887953
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Is this thing working? Is this thing on?
1978 KZ1000 LTD
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Absolutely gorgeous.
Is this thing working? Is this thing on?
1978 KZ1000 LTD
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10 Aug 2023 05:04 - 11 Aug 2023 00:18 #888103
by howardhb
'81 GPz 550 D1
'81 GPz 1100 B1 ELR "Tribute" www.kzrider.com/our-forum/11-projects/61...-elr-tribute?start=0
'82 Yamaha YB100 Fizzie
'79 Suzuki GT200 X5 TWO STROKE TWIN - SMOKER!
Replied by howardhb on topic 1981 GPz1100 B1 Rstomod / ELR "Tribute"
Public holiday here yesterday, so we ride, ride, ride !!!
While returning from an early morning (fresh!) trip to a local areodrome for breakfast,and to watch some aerobatics,
the tacho / voltmeter stopped working
I assumed that the fault lay with the adaptation wiring that I had effected inside the headlight bucket.
(adaptation of '82 GPz 1100 B2 gauges to fit my '81 B1 wiring)
After removing the bikini fairing and openning the headlight bucket, I could perform various voltage and continuity checks...
No issues there !
I then removed the instrument cluster and opened it up, to perform more continuity checks all the way to the actual tacho mechanism.
The tacho / voltmeter needle is actuated by a TINY moving coil, over a semicircular magnet.
After eliminating all else, I reached the conclusion that the movement's coil itself had failed.
That tiny coil's resistance measured infinity ! (open circuit)
What to do ???
With nothing to loose, after donning my +3.50 reading glasses, I carefully disassembled the mechanism to see if repair was possible.
Here is the movement, with needle and faceplate removed:
This picture shows the next step in disassembly...
And here is the movement, un-soldered from the terminal circuit board...
The coil is so small !
One end of the coils wiring must have broken / fatigued off its terminal, which connects to the copper spiral return spring.
Murhpy, being ever present, dictated that the wire end that is buried UNDER the windings was the one at fault...
In order to gain acces to that end of the wire, I had no choice but to unwind that tiny little coil
I unwound just over 9 metres of wire, thinner than my own hair (and that's saying A LOT !)
I then rewound it, very slowly and delicately, ensuring I had left enough wire protruding in order to solder it back to the tiny little spiral spring.
Before proceeding, I measured the coil's resistance: 77 ohms.
After many attempts to get it re-assembled, with the needle properly lined up and those terribly tiny sprial springs correctly tensioned,
I could connect 12 volts DC to test it....
At 2 am this morning, I proclaimed: " IT WORKS !!! " (much to my surprise, and relief !)
The voltmeter function of the B2 gauges is a blessing in disguise:
There is a button on the front that, when pressed, makes the tacho needle display the battery voltage on a separate scale.
This effevtively enabled me to "callibrate" it to read 12V on the dial, with 12 volts DC applied to the input terminals.
On my way to work this morning I verified that the tacho was indeed indicating the correct RPM, as, in top (5th) gear,
the speedo and tacho needles ran parallel to each other, as they did before.
Yaay!
H.
While returning from an early morning (fresh!) trip to a local areodrome for breakfast,and to watch some aerobatics,
the tacho / voltmeter stopped working
I assumed that the fault lay with the adaptation wiring that I had effected inside the headlight bucket.
(adaptation of '82 GPz 1100 B2 gauges to fit my '81 B1 wiring)
After removing the bikini fairing and openning the headlight bucket, I could perform various voltage and continuity checks...
No issues there !
I then removed the instrument cluster and opened it up, to perform more continuity checks all the way to the actual tacho mechanism.
The tacho / voltmeter needle is actuated by a TINY moving coil, over a semicircular magnet.
After eliminating all else, I reached the conclusion that the movement's coil itself had failed.
That tiny coil's resistance measured infinity ! (open circuit)
What to do ???
With nothing to loose, after donning my +3.50 reading glasses, I carefully disassembled the mechanism to see if repair was possible.
Here is the movement, with needle and faceplate removed:
This picture shows the next step in disassembly...
And here is the movement, un-soldered from the terminal circuit board...
The coil is so small !
One end of the coils wiring must have broken / fatigued off its terminal, which connects to the copper spiral return spring.
Murhpy, being ever present, dictated that the wire end that is buried UNDER the windings was the one at fault...
In order to gain acces to that end of the wire, I had no choice but to unwind that tiny little coil
I unwound just over 9 metres of wire, thinner than my own hair (and that's saying A LOT !)
I then rewound it, very slowly and delicately, ensuring I had left enough wire protruding in order to solder it back to the tiny little spiral spring.
Before proceeding, I measured the coil's resistance: 77 ohms.
After many attempts to get it re-assembled, with the needle properly lined up and those terribly tiny sprial springs correctly tensioned,
I could connect 12 volts DC to test it....
At 2 am this morning, I proclaimed: " IT WORKS !!! " (much to my surprise, and relief !)
The voltmeter function of the B2 gauges is a blessing in disguise:
There is a button on the front that, when pressed, makes the tacho needle display the battery voltage on a separate scale.
This effevtively enabled me to "callibrate" it to read 12V on the dial, with 12 volts DC applied to the input terminals.
On my way to work this morning I verified that the tacho was indeed indicating the correct RPM, as, in top (5th) gear,
the speedo and tacho needles ran parallel to each other, as they did before.
Yaay!
H.
'81 GPz 550 D1
'81 GPz 1100 B1 ELR "Tribute" www.kzrider.com/our-forum/11-projects/61...-elr-tribute?start=0
'82 Yamaha YB100 Fizzie
'79 Suzuki GT200 X5 TWO STROKE TWIN - SMOKER!
Last edit: 11 Aug 2023 00:18 by howardhb.
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11 Aug 2023 07:21 #888167
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Well done!!!!! I wouldn't have tried such a tedious repair. Great looking bike!
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23 Oct 2023 03:14 - 24 Oct 2023 11:06 #890828
by howardhb
'81 GPz 550 D1
'81 GPz 1100 B1 ELR "Tribute" www.kzrider.com/our-forum/11-projects/61...-elr-tribute?start=0
'82 Yamaha YB100 Fizzie
'79 Suzuki GT200 X5 TWO STROKE TWIN - SMOKER!
Replied by howardhb on topic 1981 GPz1100 B1 Rstomod / ELR "Tribute"
Hi again folks...
The Mikuni BS34 carbs that were on the bike when I got it were not in great shape.
Although they worked fine, some external corrosion and pitting made them look tatty,
even after I had re-painted the diaphagm covers and float bowls.
Also, carb #2 seems to have been swopped in from a different set, and "looks" a little different
from the other 3.
I was fortunate to come across a set, in ok shape, for 100 bucks. Bargain!
The add said they were form a KZ1000 CSR.
This is what they looked like in the advertisement on my local FB Marketplace,
with the remanant of a pod filter on carb #3
I de-ganged them and removed all the brass bits, in preparation for deep cleaning...
I had to cut slots in the heads of the screws that hold the carbs on the gang-plate, to use a big flat screwdriver, as they were seized in there pretty good.
My chosen method for deep cleaning is to boil the parts in a STRONG solution of clothes washing powder.
5 cups of powder in 5 quarts of water. In this concentration it is pretty caustic stuff !
10 minutes on the stove, stirring regularly...
(I learned this method years ago, restoring vintage model aircraft engines that had years of varnished caster oil and crud on them)
After thoroughly rinsing in fresh cold water the parts look almost new...
I polished the brass bits in my lathe using a scotch-brite pad.
All orifices (orifi?) were carefully cleared using suitable pieces of guitar string.
The holes in the emulsion tubes and pilot jets are very small, so I used a strand or two of some stripped
copper wire to clear those.
New o-rings on the idle mixture screws, and also the float bowl drain screws.
The fuel inlet "T" and the fuel link tubes were in good shape.
New fuel needle and seats went in as well.
I 3D printed the seals on the choke plunger tips, as well as the outer "dust" seals for the choke plunger shafts, and the pilot jet plugs.
I realise that the original outer dust seals were "belows" type, but I could not print that shape, so I designed
them to "slide" on the outside for the plunger shaft. (I see many other Mikuni carbs that use this type of sliding seal)
Re-ganging 4 carbs is fun, especially getting the choke shaft and all four choke fork parts in the correct sequence!
I live up at 5500ft so I swopped in the main jets (.125) from the other carbs.
Fully reassembled, with new M5 and M6 pan-head crews and split washers, they look fabulous:
Next up was to set all four float levels, using the clear-tube method.
I installed them on the bike... I like the contrast to the black engine and air-box!
Did a 100 mile ride yesterday... all good!
H.
The Mikuni BS34 carbs that were on the bike when I got it were not in great shape.
Although they worked fine, some external corrosion and pitting made them look tatty,
even after I had re-painted the diaphagm covers and float bowls.
Also, carb #2 seems to have been swopped in from a different set, and "looks" a little different
from the other 3.
I was fortunate to come across a set, in ok shape, for 100 bucks. Bargain!
The add said they were form a KZ1000 CSR.
This is what they looked like in the advertisement on my local FB Marketplace,
with the remanant of a pod filter on carb #3
I de-ganged them and removed all the brass bits, in preparation for deep cleaning...
I had to cut slots in the heads of the screws that hold the carbs on the gang-plate, to use a big flat screwdriver, as they were seized in there pretty good.
My chosen method for deep cleaning is to boil the parts in a STRONG solution of clothes washing powder.
5 cups of powder in 5 quarts of water. In this concentration it is pretty caustic stuff !
10 minutes on the stove, stirring regularly...
(I learned this method years ago, restoring vintage model aircraft engines that had years of varnished caster oil and crud on them)
After thoroughly rinsing in fresh cold water the parts look almost new...
I polished the brass bits in my lathe using a scotch-brite pad.
All orifices (orifi?) were carefully cleared using suitable pieces of guitar string.
The holes in the emulsion tubes and pilot jets are very small, so I used a strand or two of some stripped
copper wire to clear those.
New o-rings on the idle mixture screws, and also the float bowl drain screws.
The fuel inlet "T" and the fuel link tubes were in good shape.
New fuel needle and seats went in as well.
I 3D printed the seals on the choke plunger tips, as well as the outer "dust" seals for the choke plunger shafts, and the pilot jet plugs.
I realise that the original outer dust seals were "belows" type, but I could not print that shape, so I designed
them to "slide" on the outside for the plunger shaft. (I see many other Mikuni carbs that use this type of sliding seal)
Re-ganging 4 carbs is fun, especially getting the choke shaft and all four choke fork parts in the correct sequence!
I live up at 5500ft so I swopped in the main jets (.125) from the other carbs.
Fully reassembled, with new M5 and M6 pan-head crews and split washers, they look fabulous:
Next up was to set all four float levels, using the clear-tube method.
I installed them on the bike... I like the contrast to the black engine and air-box!
Did a 100 mile ride yesterday... all good!
H.
'81 GPz 550 D1
'81 GPz 1100 B1 ELR "Tribute" www.kzrider.com/our-forum/11-projects/61...-elr-tribute?start=0
'82 Yamaha YB100 Fizzie
'79 Suzuki GT200 X5 TWO STROKE TWIN - SMOKER!
Last edit: 24 Oct 2023 11:06 by howardhb.
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23 Oct 2023 10:11 #890849
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The Rust Bros. Garage Collection
1974 Honda CB 550 K0
1975 Honda CB 400F Super Sport
1977 Kawasaki KZ 1000 LTD
1980 Suzuki GS 1100E
1982 Honda CB 900F Super Sport
1983 Honda CB 1100F
1984 Honda Sabre 700
1984 Honda Interceptor 1000
1990 Moto Guzzi 1000
1994 Kawasaki ZG 1000 Concours
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My carb guy taught me that using guitar strings is a bad idea unless you have rounded off the end of the wire. When you cut it a chisel point is created by the cutters. It is much harder than the brass jet and will enlarge the orofice every time you push it through. He has an assortment bin full of "resized" jets from guitar string cleaning. He checks every jet with gauge pins and says he is amazed at how many jets are larger than the stamped size from being "cleaned".
The Rust Bros. Garage Collection
1974 Honda CB 550 K0
1975 Honda CB 400F Super Sport
1977 Kawasaki KZ 1000 LTD
1980 Suzuki GS 1100E
1982 Honda CB 900F Super Sport
1983 Honda CB 1100F
1984 Honda Sabre 700
1984 Honda Interceptor 1000
1990 Moto Guzzi 1000
1994 Kawasaki ZG 1000 Concours
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24 Oct 2023 10:41 #890905
by slayer61
Don't be ridiculous! It's only a flesh wound!
[strike]Wife's little bike... 1984 GPZ 550 Kerker and DynaJet stage I kit[/strike]
Wife's BIG bike......[strike] 1981 GPZ 1100 Kerker and [strike]factory FI[/strike] Mikuni RS34s W/ K&N pods[/strike] SOLD
Replied by slayer61 on topic 1981 GPz1100 B1 Rstomod / ELR "Tribute"
^^^ And my carb guy uses 1 single strand out of a bicycle brake/derailleur cable!
His claim is that the single strand is smaller than the jet size, but the "pig's tail" effect of the strand is beneficial.
To each, their own!
To each, their own!
Don't be ridiculous! It's only a flesh wound!
[strike]Wife's little bike... 1984 GPZ 550 Kerker and DynaJet stage I kit[/strike]
Wife's BIG bike......[strike] 1981 GPZ 1100 Kerker and [strike]factory FI[/strike] Mikuni RS34s W/ K&N pods[/strike] SOLD
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14 Nov 2023 11:32 #891704
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KZ 750 H2 LTD 1981
GPZ750R1 1982
Replied by Michel3007 on topic 1981 GPz1100 B1 Rstomod / ELR "Tribute"
Hi Howard,
Beautiful work.
Following the advice of Wookie, I came here looking for 3D modelisation of mounting brackets for the gpz 1100/750 front fairing and, after a good hour of reading, I must say that I found much more than that. Congratulations on your work, it is amazing. The attention to detail and the skills you have are impressive! Plus the detailed report with very useful tips!
I will definitely come back to this topic while rebuilding my 750 engine.
I saw that you shared a picture with all your 3D designs and I would be very grateful if you could PM me the ones for the front fairing brackets.
Cheers and congratulation again,
Beautiful work.
Following the advice of Wookie, I came here looking for 3D modelisation of mounting brackets for the gpz 1100/750 front fairing and, after a good hour of reading, I must say that I found much more than that. Congratulations on your work, it is amazing. The attention to detail and the skills you have are impressive! Plus the detailed report with very useful tips!
I will definitely come back to this topic while rebuilding my 750 engine.
I saw that you shared a picture with all your 3D designs and I would be very grateful if you could PM me the ones for the front fairing brackets.
Cheers and congratulation again,
KZ 750 H2 LTD 1981
GPZ750R1 1982
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14 Nov 2023 12:42 #891707
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PM doesn't work but I can put you in touch via email if both are in agreementHi Howard,
Beautiful work.
Following the advice of Wookie, I came here looking for 3D modelisation of mounting brackets for the gpz 1100/750 front fairing and, after a good hour of reading, I must say that I found much more than that. Congratulations on your work, it is amazing. The attention to detail and the skills you have are impressive! Plus the detailed report with very useful tips!
I will definitely come back to this topic while rebuilding my 750 engine.
I saw that you shared a picture with all your 3D designs and I would be very grateful if you could PM me the ones for the front fairing brackets.
Cheers and congratulation again,
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14 Nov 2023 22:03 - 16 Nov 2023 00:33 #891717
by howardhb
'81 GPz 550 D1
'81 GPz 1100 B1 ELR "Tribute" www.kzrider.com/our-forum/11-projects/61...-elr-tribute?start=0
'82 Yamaha YB100 Fizzie
'79 Suzuki GT200 X5 TWO STROKE TWIN - SMOKER!
Replied by howardhb on topic 1981 GPz1100 B1 Rstomod / ELR "Tribute"
Thanks
Michel3007
, I had a whole lot of fun making my "Tribute", and I LOVE riding her every day!
I replicated the original GPz 1100B2 mounting method, with ALL its parts:
There are quite a few parts to print, so I've made two drawings that show what materials to use:
Here is the lower mount that attaches to the front brake pipe manifold (Kawasaki emblem removed),under the headlight:
Below is the left hand side, upper mount... Right hand side is a "mirror" of this.
Attached are two ZIP files containing the 3D printer files that you will need.
See pics above, showing which printer materials to use.
Regards.Howard.
I replicated the original GPz 1100B2 mounting method, with ALL its parts:
There are quite a few parts to print, so I've made two drawings that show what materials to use:
Here is the lower mount that attaches to the front brake pipe manifold (Kawasaki emblem removed),under the headlight:
Below is the left hand side, upper mount... Right hand side is a "mirror" of this.
Attached are two ZIP files containing the 3D printer files that you will need.
See pics above, showing which printer materials to use.
Regards.Howard.
'81 GPz 550 D1
'81 GPz 1100 B1 ELR "Tribute" www.kzrider.com/our-forum/11-projects/61...-elr-tribute?start=0
'82 Yamaha YB100 Fizzie
'79 Suzuki GT200 X5 TWO STROKE TWIN - SMOKER!
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15 Nov 2023 01:22 #891718
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KZ 750 H2 LTD 1981
GPZ750R1 1982
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That would be great, thanks Wookie
KZ 750 H2 LTD 1981
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