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1981 KZ550 D1 GPZ550 won't start
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17 Dec 2023 17:28 - 17 Dec 2023 17:37 #892840
by TexasKZ
1982 KZ1000 LTD parts donor
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2000 ZRX1100 not ridden enough
Replied by TexasKZ on topic 1981 KZ550 D1 GPZ550 won't start
Partzilla sez the factory close cable is still available. You will not find better than factory.
www.partzilla.com/catalog/kawasaki/motor.../gpz-kz550-d1/cables
While the carbs are off, take a very close look at the carb holders. If there are surface cracks or if the rubber is really hard, they need to be replaced.
Also, since this is your first deep dive into the carbs, it might be best to disassemble, clean and reassemble them one at a time. That way if you forget how something goes, you will have a pattern at hand. I like to take a lot of pictures, too.
www.partzilla.com/catalog/kawasaki/motor.../gpz-kz550-d1/cables
While the carbs are off, take a very close look at the carb holders. If there are surface cracks or if the rubber is really hard, they need to be replaced.
Also, since this is your first deep dive into the carbs, it might be best to disassemble, clean and reassemble them one at a time. That way if you forget how something goes, you will have a pattern at hand. I like to take a lot of pictures, too.
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17 Dec 2023 21:06 #892846
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Replied by RonG on topic 1981 KZ550 D1 GPZ550 won't start
Hello TexasKZ: Got it, thanks... but what do you mean by the carb 'holders'?
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17 Dec 2023 22:15 #892848
by TexasKZ
1982 KZ1000 LTD parts donor
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Replied by TexasKZ on topic 1981 KZ550 D1 GPZ550 won't start
Reference number 16065. (Part number 16065-1014)
www.partzilla.com/catalog/kawasaki/motor...550-d1/cylinder-head
www.partzilla.com/catalog/kawasaki/motor...550-d1/cylinder-head
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18 Dec 2023 06:52 #892855
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Do a thorough, methodical cleaning and write down the jet sizes for future reference. You'll also want to know which jets are factory.
Jim
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Replied by ThatGPzGuy on topic 1981 KZ550 D1 GPZ550 won't start
You should not need "carb kits", those are a poor investment anyway. You don't want to use the kit brass and the gaskets in kits can be sourced cheaply enough by themselves.As the carbs were rebuilt 3 years ago and mileage is very low, I'm hoping I can get by just cleaning the carbs and not installing new carb kits.
Ron
Do a thorough, methodical cleaning and write down the jet sizes for future reference. You'll also want to know which jets are factory.
Jim
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2016 Yamaha FJR1300ES
1982 GPz750 R1
1974 Kawasaki H1
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1979 Yamaha XS650 cafe'
2001 KZ1000P
2001 Yamaha YZ426
1981 Honda XR200 stroked in an '89 CR125 chassis
1965 Mustang
1967 Triumph GT6
1976 Bronco
"If you didn't build it, it's not really yours"
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20 Dec 2023 11:46 #892943
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Thanks for all these comments! Is there any use here for an 'ultrasonic' cleaner that parts are immersed in? Or is this a bad idea...
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20 Dec 2023 13:37 #892948
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Replied by TexasKZ on topic 1981 KZ550 D1 GPZ550 won't start
A good ultrasonic cleaner with the proper cleaning solution can greatly reduce the time needed to clean the carbs. You will still need to double check the tiny passageways and jets to be absolutely certain they are clear.
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20 Dec 2023 17:27 #892957
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Got it, thank you!
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28 Dec 2023 14:02 #893223
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Replied by RonG on topic 1981 KZ550 D1 GPZ550 won't start
Thanks everyone for suggestions. I disassembled the carbs and cleaned them in a simple sort of a way, using isopropyl alcohol and finally 'gumout' from Canadian tire. But I was wishing I just had turpentine or similar. I didn't change any adjustments, just cleaned. At least one jet was fairly dirty. The bike now starts and runs much better, and I got it to idle successfully (when warm, had to add one turn to the idle adjustment). It feels like its running smoothly up through RPM but only with full choke on. Any attempt to touch the choke results in an immediate stall. What should I be looking at next?
Does anyone know if the carb set had some black paint from the factory, or were they all aluminum color? Mine had remnants of thick black paint on about 10% of some surfaces, which I scraped off as it was in bad shape.
BTW those cute little pod aircleaners again, I got new ones recently off amazon (I think the brand name is 'kona'?? or similar) and the diameter of the chrome portion near the engine is just too large, you can't get them on side by side without pushing the one beside it off. I flattened out the chrome body one one side of each so each set more or less fits straight onto the carbs, then tried to seal off any air leaks, but I wouldn't go with this brand again. The only other solution would be to build an inch longer pipe into the carb so the outer air cleaners sit further back.
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Does anyone know if the carb set had some black paint from the factory, or were they all aluminum color? Mine had remnants of thick black paint on about 10% of some surfaces, which I scraped off as it was in bad shape.
BTW those cute little pod aircleaners again, I got new ones recently off amazon (I think the brand name is 'kona'?? or similar) and the diameter of the chrome portion near the engine is just too large, you can't get them on side by side without pushing the one beside it off. I flattened out the chrome body one one side of each so each set more or less fits straight onto the carbs, then tried to seal off any air leaks, but I wouldn't go with this brand again. The only other solution would be to build an inch longer pipe into the carb so the outer air cleaners sit further back.
Ron
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28 Dec 2023 18:15 #893241
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KZ750R1 + 1991 ZR750 = KZR750R1
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Replied by kzr750r1 on topic 1981 KZ550 D1 GPZ550 won't start
Best to find the right size pods. Nice to hear the teardown/cleanup worked to get it running.
Did you replace all the orings?
Yes those were painted at one time but it sounds like they have been dipped in the past and it stripped all the paint off.
Mine are back to all aluminum at this point.
Did you replace all the orings?
Yes those were painted at one time but it sounds like they have been dipped in the past and it stripped all the paint off.
Mine are back to all aluminum at this point.
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28 Dec 2023 18:57 - 28 Dec 2023 18:59 #893247
by TexasKZ
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Replied by TexasKZ on topic 1981 KZ550 D1 GPZ550 won't start
Runs ok, but only with the enrichment (choke) on, indicates clogged pilot circuits.
Check to be certain that those filters do not block any of the small intake ports in the mouth of each carburetor. Such blockage can cause serious running problems. Cheap filters can cause more problems than they solve.
Check to be certain that those filters do not block any of the small intake ports in the mouth of each carburetor. Such blockage can cause serious running problems. Cheap filters can cause more problems than they solve.
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28 Dec 2023 19:45 #893255
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I didn't replace any o rings. Thanks for suggestions, I'll try to figure out the pilot circuits next and check that no inlet ports are covered. The bike did however run fine in the spring with these same pod filters. Something has changed that it now needs the choke full time.
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28 Dec 2023 21:59 #893264
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I actually had cleaned out all the pilot circuits, so I don't expect its that. I'll check no inlet ports are covered in the morning. The movie below says if it's not the pilot jets there may be an air leak at the carbs to intake flange... is there a method to test for that?
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