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Kz650 b3 no compression on 2 and 3 20 Jun 2023 14:51 #886238

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Ive got a 1979 kz650 b3 that im restoring. I got it running but it was only running on cylinders 1 and 4. First i thought it was the coils because i just rejetted the carbs and i know 2 and 3 are getting gas. I ran the bike with the carb boots off. I put my hand over the intake of the carbs. 1 and 4 killed the bike when i put my hand over the intake. On cylinder 2 and 3 i felt vacuum and when i took my hand off there was gas on my hand. I noticed there was no spark on 2 and 3 so i replaced the coils and now i have strong spark on all cylinders. Then i took the plugs off and put my thumb over the holes. On cylinder 1 and 4 the compression pushed my thumb right off and on 2 and 3 i didnt feel anything. Also the plugs on 1 and 4 looked good and on 2 and 3 they looked brand new and they were wet with oil. Please help. 
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Kz650 b3 no compression on 2 and 3 20 Jun 2023 15:03 #886239

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It's interesting that it's 2 and 3 that have no compression.  Have you checked cam timing?  What about valve clearance?  Do you have a service manual?
I have several restored bikes along with a 2006 Goldwing with a sidecar. My wife has a 2019 Suzuki DR 650 for on and off road.

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Kz650 b3 no compression on 2 and 3 20 Jun 2023 15:48 #886243

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I hav not checked the timing yet. The valve clearances were set by me back in 2017. But after that i barely rode it. Last time i rode it was in 2018. And after i set the clearances it ran great. Its just been sitting ever since because of a carb issue. But now i started working on it again got the carbs all cleaned and rejetted with original size jets. now this compression issue. 
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Kz650 b3 no compression on 2 and 3 20 Jun 2023 15:49 #886244

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I have a service manual on order because i lost mine. Should be here in a couple days. 
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Kz650 b3 no compression on 2 and 3 20 Jun 2023 15:57 #886245

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Also i set the timing when i put the electronic ignition in years ago. 
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Kz650 b3 no compression on 2 and 3 21 Jun 2023 14:45 #886283

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I just recieved my new service manual so im gonna check the timing and valve clearances when i get home from work tonight. I also might look in the cylinders with an endoscope first. 
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Kz650 b3 no compression on 2 and 3 21 Jun 2023 17:22 #886289

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If you have a compression gauge it would be helpful to quantify your compression in all cylinders.  The manual will explain how to do it.
I have several restored bikes along with a 2006 Goldwing with a sidecar. My wife has a 2019 Suzuki DR 650 for on and off road.

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Kz650 b3 no compression on 2 and 3 21 Jun 2023 17:31 #886293

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I do have a compression tester but it doesnt have the right tip. Either it didnt come with it or it was lost at some point because im pretty sure these threads are a very common spark plug thread. Im pretty sure my truck uses the same threads. 
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Kz650 b3 no compression on 2 and 3 22 Jun 2023 03:56 #886299

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When you check your timing you can put the timing marker on "T" for 2/3 and check to see if the pistons are at top dead center.
I have several restored bikes along with a 2006 Goldwing with a sidecar. My wife has a 2019 Suzuki DR 650 for on and off road.

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Kz650 b3 no compression on 2 and 3 22 Jun 2023 05:09 #886300

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I'm not sure of the relevance regarding timing given that a compression test is purely mechanical and carried out with all the spark plugs removed ? 
I suspect after such a long lay-up (and with the plugs being oiled) the the rings are stuck. Perhaps a good soaking with WD40 or similar overnight (don't forget to spin it over with the plugs out to clear the excess) may release the rings and recover the compression loss.
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Kz650 b3 no compression on 2 and 3 22 Jun 2023 14:45 #886313

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So last night i took the valve cover off and rotated the engine with the plugs in and i could hear air escaping through the valves. So my next step is to remove the head and do a complete rebuild on the head. Also the head gasket is leaking a little on the side of the engine by cylinder 4 so that has to be replaced anyways. The bike has 44000 miles on it so i think this is something that needs to be done in order to insure a problem free future for the bike. Ill also look at the rings when i take the head off. 
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Kz650 b3 no compression on 2 and 3 22 Jun 2023 14:47 #886314

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I will try the wd 40 trick when i get home tonight just to be sure 
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