Can I get away without using filler? See pics.

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05 Mar 2013 00:54 #575363 by Hollywoodmx
Do you think I can get away without using filler? In the pics if its black I have sanded down past the old paint. Everything is fibreglass save the tank which is something other than metal and fibreglass. I'm just worried if I use filler I will make an uneven surface worse than it is after my sanding. Before sanding it had cracks where the filler was before, probably because it was 20+ years old.

Feel free to provide tips or if I am doing something wrong.

I'm using urethane 2k primer, white base (with a decent HLPV gun), 2k urethane clear.

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05 Mar 2013 01:12 #575370 by wireman
As long as its nice and flat Id hit it with some sealer and see how it looks B)

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05 Mar 2013 01:55 #575381 by lushbaugh
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2k primer is high build used as a light filler, lay it on heavy runs dont matter, then block it out. if its slightly deeper within a few millimeters use a good skim coat like usc brand icing. body fillers have come a long long way and theres no need to fear using it as long as its used properly. also i know this seems like a vauge answer but i cant give my opinion unless i actually ran my hand acrost it.

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05 Mar 2013 01:55 - 05 Mar 2013 02:00 #575382 by Hollywoodmx
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wireman wrote: As long as its nice and flat Id hit it with some sealer and see how it looks B)


I don't have any sealer. I have reg shit primer, etching primer, 1k high build primer, and 2k urethane primer. Any of those do?

lushbaugh wrote: 2k primer is high build used as a light filler, lay it on heavy runs dont matter, then block it out. if its slightly deeper within a few millimeters use a good skim coat like usc brand icing. body fillers have come a long long way and theres no need to fear using it as long as its used properly. also i know this seems like a vauge answer but i cant give my opinion unless i actually ran my hand acrost it.


Just the icing without the filler?

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05 Mar 2013 02:23 #575394 by lushbaugh
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use the urathane primer as modern paints are urathane and 2k is what i always use as it gives you plenty to block on. and icing is a filler its just for thinner imperfections in the ding catagory not dent, its very flexable and awesome to work with, if its deeper than a wave or small gouge youll need a fiberglass specific filler. if its cracked even a little youll need duraglass on the fiberglass or a similar product. i highly reccomend you stay away from bondo brand products and talk to a corvette specialist on the materials you use. they deal with glass on a regular basis and know whats the hot stuff to use.

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05 Mar 2013 11:32 - 05 Mar 2013 11:33 #575430 by martin_csr
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I recall someone here on KZR used 3M Acryl Green to get a smooth even coat over the entire tank. He covered the whole tank w the stuff, using a flexible spreader. It's supposed to be easy to work with.

When searching for the acryl green, I saw another topic in which a 2k filler was used.
Z1000R and Z1000J - Lots of pics, and Gun-Kote oven baked paint.
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05 Mar 2013 11:43 #575431 by ramtough_63
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Prime everything with primer of choice block sand then spray with a guide coat then resand if no low spots seal and paint

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05 Mar 2013 12:27 #575436 by Hollywoodmx
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Wow lots of great info. Thanks guys!

Another question if I'm using urethane primer what kind of paint can it be for the black guide coat?

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05 Mar 2013 14:31 #575464 by kzz1king
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Good info. What is the best type of block for tanks,tail pieces,fenders and such?

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05 Mar 2013 15:01 #575465 by ramtough_63
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you eventually sand all the guide coat off its just a light dusting its called Guide coat comes in spray bomb easy to sand I always use a thin
paint stick for a block

I am sure others can give you more modern ways to block everything I have learned was 25 years ago and the last year lol

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05 Mar 2013 18:37 #575484 by kzz1king
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I suck at it. Everytime I think it is ready my buddy keeps finding low spots. I cant see it,think he is just making work for me!
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05 Mar 2013 23:33 #575549 by Hollywoodmx
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ramtough_63 wrote: you eventually sand all the guide coat off its just a light dusting its called Guide coat comes in spray bomb easy to sand I always use a thin
paint stick for a block

I am sure others can give you more modern ways to block everything I have learned was 25 years ago and the last year lol


Cool thanks. I was also doing research on the 2k paints and realized I cant use these in the garage. I have to do it outside and its winter right now so unless I get a good day on the weekend might be a few weeks before I can paint with the 2k stuff anyways.

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