Possible with helicoil?
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Possible with helicoil?
12 Jan 2021 11:19
I was wondering if it’s possible to install helicoil instead of using nuts, the orginal threads is broken...?
1981 KZ650-D4, with 1981 z750L engine (Wiensco 810 big bore).
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Re: Possible with helicoil?
12 Jan 2021 11:32 - 12 Jan 2021 12:05
It is possible however you need to use a coil which is shorter than the metal thickness and only drill and thread sufficiently deep so as to leave a smaller and unthreaded section at the top. The reason being if you drill/mill and thread right through there will be nothing to stop the helicoil threading out the top as you screw the bolts in. Once partially out the top you won't be able to screww the helicoil back in.
I would also use thread lock on the helicoil but not on the bolts.
I would also use thread lock on the helicoil but not on the bolts.
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Re: Possible with helicoil?
12 Jan 2021 13:53
Is there any reason you can't tap it a size larger and use a larger bolt? Helicoils are only needed if you must keep the same thread size, otherwise it's just more work and money.
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Re: Possible with helicoil?
12 Jan 2021 15:12
I'm struggling to recognize those parts. What are we looking at?
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1981 KZ750E2
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Re: Possible with helicoil?
12 Jan 2021 15:12
A 5mmx.08 Timesert would be really good in that application, however not cheap.
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1966 W1 (the Z1 of 1966-50H.P. and 100mph!)
1974 Z1
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1976 KZ900B pile O parts
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1980 Honda XL250S (I know, wrong flavor!)
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Re: Possible with helicoil?
12 Jan 2021 15:16Float bowl screws Nessism.Nessism wrote: I'm struggling to recognize those parts. What are we looking at?
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Re: Possible with helicoil?
12 Jan 2021 15:23Nessism wrote: I'm struggling to recognize those parts. What are we looking at?
Your not alone
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1978 KZ 1000 B2 LTD
1980 KZ 750 E1
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Re: Possible with helicoil?
12 Jan 2021 15:37
You can Helicoil or re tap to M5.
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Re: Possible with helicoil?
12 Jan 2021 16:07 - 12 Jan 2021 16:09
Thanks for the education...
I'd helicoil. It's pretty easy to do with a kit. We are lucky here in the US because you can buy a full kit that includes drill, tap, installation tool, tang breaking tool, and a pile of inserts for dead cheap off Amazon. I recently bought a kit and was very pleased with the quality. Installing inserts properly has a learning curve so you may want to practice on some scrap part before going at the carb bodies.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HF8F5GV/ref...09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I'd helicoil. It's pretty easy to do with a kit. We are lucky here in the US because you can buy a full kit that includes drill, tap, installation tool, tang breaking tool, and a pile of inserts for dead cheap off Amazon. I recently bought a kit and was very pleased with the quality. Installing inserts properly has a learning curve so you may want to practice on some scrap part before going at the carb bodies.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HF8F5GV/ref...09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Ed
Carb O-ring Kits : www.kzrider.com/forum/3-carburetor/61807...-o-ring-kits?start=0
www.kzrider.com/forum/faq-wiki/618026-new-owner-things-to-know
1981 KZ750E2
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/604901...z750e-project-thread
Carb O-ring Kits : www.kzrider.com/forum/3-carburetor/61807...-o-ring-kits?start=0
www.kzrider.com/forum/faq-wiki/618026-new-owner-things-to-know
1981 KZ750E2
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/604901...z750e-project-thread
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Re: Possible with helicoil?
12 Jan 2021 18:37
I much prefer the TimeSerts (factory approved repair BTW) over Helicoils. A properly installed TimeSert is actually better than the original aluminum threaded hole in some respects. I don't think you can say that about a Helicoil repaired hole. Just my opinion, but I repaired a lot of F-Ups at the plant in 43 years. It looks to me like the holes in the carb bodies pictured are already over 5mm, so retapping is not an option.
Mike
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Former M.E. at Kawasaki Motors Manufacturing, Lincoln, NE
1966 W1 (the Z1 of 1966-50H.P. and 100mph!)
1974 Z1
1978 KZ1000 LTD
1976 KZ900B pile O parts
1980 KZ750E
1980 Honda XL250S (I know, wrong flavor!)
1966 W1 (the Z1 of 1966-50H.P. and 100mph!)
1974 Z1
1978 KZ1000 LTD
1976 KZ900B pile O parts
1980 KZ750E
1980 Honda XL250S (I know, wrong flavor!)
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Re: Possible with helicoil?
12 Jan 2021 21:59 - 12 Jan 2021 22:00
Sorry for missing information to the picture....
Thank you all for your feedbacks !
Helicoil, time insert and increase to M5.
So maybe the best and safest alternative is to go up to M5 then, there is enough material to do it?
Thank you all for your feedbacks !
Helicoil, time insert and increase to M5.
So maybe the best and safest alternative is to go up to M5 then, there is enough material to do it?
1981 KZ650-D4, with 1981 z750L engine (Wiensco 810 big bore).
Project:
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/607213...sr-1981-z750l-engine
Project:
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/607213...sr-1981-z750l-engine
Last edit: 12 Jan 2021 22:00 by gordone.
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