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Work in Progress: Z1b brake upgrade
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01 May 2018 10:33 #782692
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Work in Progress: Z1b brake upgrade was created by Move0ver
So I've been working off and on on this side project for the past month or so.
My '75 Z1b currently has dual disc brakes up front with braided lines and stops more or less well enough. I still wanted to kick things up a notch but the AP racing conversions for spoked wheels are pretty expensive ($800+). I wound up being guided in the direction of the dual piston EX500 calipers that the H1/2 guys use. There are adapter bracket templates floating around that you can copy and use to mount the calipers on a Z1 fork.
Adapter template:
Now, EX500's were only single disc. Luckily that caliper was used on many different bikes in the past 30 years so I picked up calipers from a 1987 ZX750F.
I had one adapter made up to check that everything fits and loosely bolted things together:
My '75 Z1b currently has dual disc brakes up front with braided lines and stops more or less well enough. I still wanted to kick things up a notch but the AP racing conversions for spoked wheels are pretty expensive ($800+). I wound up being guided in the direction of the dual piston EX500 calipers that the H1/2 guys use. There are adapter bracket templates floating around that you can copy and use to mount the calipers on a Z1 fork.
Adapter template:
Now, EX500's were only single disc. Luckily that caliper was used on many different bikes in the past 30 years so I picked up calipers from a 1987 ZX750F.
I had one adapter made up to check that everything fits and loosely bolted things together:
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01 May 2018 10:33 #782693
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There was full pad coverage of the disc and it centered ok.
Other forum members brought up the issue of rotational forces on those two adapter-caliper bolts being located so closely together so we adjusted the template to space them out a bit:
Of course why stop there when you can just have a full length bracket that mounts the adapter to the two stock mounting points of the caliper:
Now I just need to have some new lines made and rebuild the calipers.
If anyone is interested, I can have more adapter brackets made easily enough.
Other forum members brought up the issue of rotational forces on those two adapter-caliper bolts being located so closely together so we adjusted the template to space them out a bit:
Of course why stop there when you can just have a full length bracket that mounts the adapter to the two stock mounting points of the caliper:
Now I just need to have some new lines made and rebuild the calipers.
If anyone is interested, I can have more adapter brackets made easily enough.
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03 May 2018 07:11 #782757
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Replied by kzdcw on topic Work in Progress: Z1b brake upgrade
When I had a 72' H2 and was on the 2-stroke Forum a lot, I upgraded my H2 with the EX caliper and used the same mounting bracket pictured. Worked well and nice upgrade.
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05 May 2018 11:37 #782922
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Replied by Move0ver on topic Work in Progress: Z1b brake upgrade
Calipers dismantled, ultrasonically cleaned and wiped down with brake cleaner. I was able to pull out one calipers pistons with rubber and pliers, but the second one needed a different approach. I had pushed the pistons all the way in (to facilitate test fitting) so couldn't get purchase on them. Normally I use a grease gun to force the piston out, but since these weren't frozen I used a gradually increasing stream of compressed air to gently force them out. Safety first.
Tomorrow I'll grab some paint. I'll paint the brackets black and the calipers either grey or black.
I have custom lines and some semi sintered pads coming from Galfer.
All I need to do now is clean up and lightly sand the discs.
Tomorrow I'll grab some paint. I'll paint the brackets black and the calipers either grey or black.
I have custom lines and some semi sintered pads coming from Galfer.
All I need to do now is clean up and lightly sand the discs.
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12 May 2018 17:03 #783268
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Replied by Move0ver on topic Work in Progress: Z1b brake upgrade
Rebuilt the calipers with a brake crafters kit. Hit them with some caliper paint as well:
Calipers mounted up perfectly. I flushed the old MC and line splitter with methylated spirits, added the Galfer lines, and bled with DOT5 fluid.
The only thing I have left to do is get a shorter bolt for the lower adapter mounting point. The rusty one is just a placeholder.
Calipers mounted up perfectly. I flushed the old MC and line splitter with methylated spirits, added the Galfer lines, and bled with DOT5 fluid.
The only thing I have left to do is get a shorter bolt for the lower adapter mounting point. The rusty one is just a placeholder.
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13 May 2018 02:17 #783278
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Replied by Z1Driver on topic Work in Progress: Z1b brake upgrade
MoveOver, In the picture of your front wheel, it appears the axle clamp is backwards...the gap between the fork and axle clamp should be to the rear. The solution is to turn the axle clamp around. But of course you already knew that. Tim
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13 May 2018 08:48 #783285
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good catch
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14 May 2018 08:52 #783334
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Jim
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Replied by ThatGPzGuy on topic Work in Progress: Z1b brake upgrade
Nice. This is something I need for my "plan your stops" H1.
Jim
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2016 Yamaha FJR1300ES
1982 GPz750 R1
1974 Kawasaki H1
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1979 Yamaha XS650 cafe'
2001 KZ1000P
2001 Yamaha YZ426
1981 Honda XR200 stroked in an '89 CR125 chassis
1965 Mustang
1967 Triumph GT6
1976 Bronco
"If you didn't build it, it's not really yours"
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14 May 2018 10:15 #783342
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Replied by Move0ver on topic Work in Progress: Z1b brake upgrade
This project was relatively affordable.
Calipers: 20$ shipped
Lines: 120$
2x Rebuild kit: 60$
Adapters and machining: 60$
Obviously half the cost for a single disc setup.
If you want brackets made, let me know. The measurements are saved in my machinists computer
Calipers: 20$ shipped
Lines: 120$
2x Rebuild kit: 60$
Adapters and machining: 60$
Obviously half the cost for a single disc setup.
If you want brackets made, let me know. The measurements are saved in my machinists computer
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05 Mar 2019 07:36 #799758
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Replied by JB911 on topic Work in Progress: Z1b brake upgrade
I have the EX500 caliper on my "74 H2. I bought the adapter from someone that makes them through one of the H2 forums-
I'll probably get a pair for my Z1 soon, calipers are dirt cheap on eBay-
I'll probably get a pair for my Z1 soon, calipers are dirt cheap on eBay-
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05 Mar 2019 07:41 #799759
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Replied by JB911 on topic Work in Progress: Z1b brake upgrade
Also looking into this:
kawatriple.com/caliper/tokico/tokicoconv.html
From this thread:
www.kawi2strokes.com/forum/viewtopic.php...ilit=Caliper+adapter
kawatriple.com/caliper/tokico/tokicoconv.html
From this thread:
www.kawi2strokes.com/forum/viewtopic.php...ilit=Caliper+adapter
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10 Mar 2019 15:10 - 10 Mar 2019 15:10 #800110
by JB911
Replied by JB911 on topic Work in Progress: Z1b brake upgrade
For some reason I'm unable to reply/upload pics(?)
Getting an error message
Getting an error message
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