Adding rake with triple trees versus frame?

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17 Feb 2014 13:45 #622563 by farnie
Newbie here with a question on adding rake...

Can you add rake to a frame by modifying/creating a triple tree where the bottom section of the tree juts out farther forward than the top section, and they are angled up from 90 degrees from the stem?

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Farnie

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17 Feb 2014 13:55 - 17 Feb 2014 14:02 #622566 by 4TheKZ1000
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Cant say I have seen that done.

It seems that the torque or pressure created on the lower tree could be a problem as you change or widen the angle.

Also with the lower tree pushed forward, could magnify the unwanted twisting of the steering......might feel very loose.

I'm not a engineer, but we do have some very smart guys on here that will be able to answer.
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17 Feb 2014 14:09 #622571 by turboking
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you can get raked triple trees ( set of upper and lower and stem)........I'm sure you can't just do the bottom..... :S I know you can get adjustable tripples for road racing......

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17 Feb 2014 14:46 #622575 by Street Fighter LTD
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Rake the frame if you need to , but normally I would not rake trees for these Kaws
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17 Feb 2014 15:54 #622587 by nitrokeeb
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Offset or raked triple trees are common with Harleys. Anytime you change the rake though you need to make sure that you don't alter the trail to the point of creating unsafe handling.



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17 Feb 2014 15:56 - 17 Feb 2014 15:59 #622588 by z1kzonly
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Harley FL's had adjustable rake stems in the late 50's early 60's on Panheads.
Or you can Just Do It! Cut! Chop! Weld! And drink beer when your done!
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17 Feb 2014 16:01 #622589 by LarryC
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Everything you need to have explained is done very well HERE

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17 Feb 2014 16:30 #622591 by zed1015
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This is what you need.
Each yoke is 2 piece with angle shims to adjust the rake whilst keeping the stanction bores in correct alignment.
There are other ways of getting the same effect with stepped hinged yokes etc or just have some solid ones made with the offset built in.
The later (solid) way needs careful setting up though because adjusting the head bearings alters the distance between the yokes and puts the stanction bores out of alighnment. This distance needs to remain constant by the use of shims placed under the top yoke or some other method.

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17 Feb 2014 18:03 #622602 by les holt
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I can make you a set of raked trees, just put me as your beneficiary and sign a waiver and we are good :) Absolutely the most dangerous thing you can do if you plan on doing any kind of spirited riding at all. Follow Larry C's link and read it well!!!
Use that calculator. It's easy and informative. FYI, I have 5.35" of trail on my turbo and I bust off some big speed passes with total confidence!!

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18 Feb 2014 05:34 #622649 by zukdave
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Les that's about what told him on KZ650 site.

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18 Feb 2014 18:51 - 18 Feb 2014 18:51 #622725 by farnie
Replied by farnie on topic Adding rake with triple trees versus frame?
Thanks guys for all the feedback- seems like a bad idea. especially when it would be easy to have the frame chopped up and neck adjusted by a pro. Or just get a raked frame to start the project...

Farnie

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2007 Yamaha VStar 1100 Silverado Custom (current)
1978 Kawasaki KZ650 B/C?D hybrid (current cafe' racer project)
1978 Kawasaki KZ650 C (current bobber project
1978 Kawasaki KZ650 D (parts bike)
1985 Kawasaki GPZ 750 (past)
1978 Yamaha XS 360 (past and 1st MC)
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