Z1R Front Master Cylinder Rebuild Kit Substitute

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20 Aug 2014 07:41 #644592 by D3
Well l now have Reproduction stock of said diaphragms 43028-1003 for all models Z1R.

Copied from a NOS genuine diaphragm

Correct material- EPDM compatiable with Glycol-ether Based DOT 3, 4, 5.1 brake fluid (NOT SILICONE BASED DOT 5)

Correct hardness as per IRHD ISO 48 (INTERNATIONAL STANDARD)

Posted anywhere in the world AUD$45.00

If you need (one or two)I have large amount avai. my email is- kawasakisupport@live.com.au

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In the next few months l hope to have 43028-1002 diaphragms for the KZ1000A2, KZ1000A4 (MK2) and some police bikes, KZ400,650,750 that use the Trapezoid type master cylinder.

Thankz Ross.

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20 Aug 2014 08:18 #644596 by DOHC
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I made some once but it was a pain, and now I need more...

I guess there are still some out there, but the price is high...


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20 Aug 2014 08:28 #644599 by D3
Sorry don't have any those.

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20 Aug 2014 08:32 #644600 by D3
In my last post l posted a pic my Z900A4 in signatures, but it appears too big, any ideas how to remove? Thankz

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20 Aug 2014 08:57 - 20 Aug 2014 08:57 #644601 by 531blackbanshee
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edit your post and remove the url for the pic.

i use
resize.it
to make them 1089x817 it seems to be a size that posts well,and still gets big when clicked.

hth,

leon

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12 Sep 2014 23:33 - 13 Sep 2014 01:27 #647330 by weales

G'day Guys, an update on the Z1-R front brake rebuild - FAILURE :angry: !

After carefully re-assembling the calipers with all new seals, dustboots and connecting the (new) hoses with (new) banjo bolts and crush washers I was ready to bleed the bleeder! I fitted the substitute front m/cyl piston kit from Z1Enterprises but have not been able to get any hydraulic pressure at the lever. I initially get some fluid out of the bleed nipples when going through the bleed process (per manual) but then nothing else comes out. I checked all the banjo bolts and connections - all good and no blockages or leaks. I even primed the calipers with some brake fluid then sucked it through the bleed tube but still no pressure. I pulled the M/Cyl apart today and all looks as per the parts book and the substitute piston is definitely the one specified at the start of this thread and is not damaged/broken/mis-fitted. Any thoughts suggestions would be much appreciated :) !

After reading the theory of operation of the braking system in the workshop manual I had a real good look at the MC especially the barrel - I noted that only the supply port is machined into the chamber/barrel of the M/C, the relief port goes nowhere - it is not blocked it has never been drilled though. Can somebody please confirm that these two ports should be visible in the barrel of the MC? I've attached a pic of the barrel of the MC to show the detail - only one hole is visible ,



the other is not blocked - just not drilled. i don't know the history of the MC - may have been replaced somewhere by a PO and the bike may have never been used with this installed - I bought the bike as a basket case so....?

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76 Z650
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72 Mach III
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13 Sep 2014 12:15 - 13 Sep 2014 12:18 #647373 by DOHC
As soon as I started reading your post I decided you have a blocked relief port, but it seems like you already know that.

That hole definitely needs to be open. In the past when that hole was blocked I spent hours trying to get the system to pump up with no luck.

As far as not being able to see the hole inside the bore, it is a very small hole. Much much smaller than the supply port . Could it be that the opening in the port has been packed with rust and grit and smoothed over by the movement of the piston?

I would say you should remove the plastic elbow at the top of the MC and try opening up the hole with a sewing needle or similar. If it really is un-drilled that would be really surprising. But if that is the case I can try to estimate the size of tiny drill bit you'll need... :)

I assume you already have the shop manual with this diagram?


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14 Sep 2014 05:14 #647461 by weales
Thanks dohc for your prompt reply - much appreciated! Sounds like you have identified the problem. Yes I have this diagram and I have the MC completely disassembled ready for any work. if you could please let me (and our brethren) know what size this hole this should be (maybe a caliper measurement of the needle diameter - if possible) then I can clear the hole and get on with the bleeding process!

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1968 Norton P11A Desert Sled
Other bike (and daily ride)
2004 Yamaha FZR 600
Previous Bikes
78 Z1-R (resto)
91 Zephyr 750
73 Mach IV (Resto)
78 Z1-R
78 Z1-R (stolen)
76 Z900
76 Z650
73 Mach IV
72 Mach III

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15 Sep 2014 05:06 #647581 by weales
Further to my last post, I have carefully cleaned the top of the area of the MC where the supply and relief ports live. I can see a tiny impression where the relief port is but it is completely blocked and does not make it through into the compression chamber - pic attached for reference. Looks like about a .010" diameter hole -but will wait until hole size is confirmed before I go messing with it! I don't expect anyone to strip their braking system just to do this but if anyone has a Z1-R MC apart on their bench and if they could post an accurate measurement of the relief port hole dia it would be much appreciated! Otherwise I'll just use a tiny needle to poke the gunk out of the hole and clear it, hopefully without increasing the hole dia.

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1968 Norton P11A Desert Sled
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2004 Yamaha FZR 600
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78 Z1-R (resto)
91 Zephyr 750
73 Mach IV (Resto)
78 Z1-R
78 Z1-R (stolen)
76 Z900
76 Z650
73 Mach IV
72 Mach III
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15 Sep 2014 06:04 - 15 Sep 2014 06:08 #647590 by DOHC
I do have a Z1-R MC, already in pieces, that I can look at, but I haven't had a chance to dig it out yet.

Also, nice picture! Many people struggle to get clear close-up pictures like that.

I recommend getting this carb cleaning tool from Z1 Enterprises:

www.z1enterprises.com/ItemDetails.aspx?item=KL35-3498

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15 Sep 2014 09:34 - 15 Sep 2014 09:46 #647620 by saxjonz
I have been working on my bike and had issues with the cylinder pumping up to bleed the brakes. This is what I did, sounds crazy I know, I pulled lever in and tied it to the handlebars and left it overnight. The next day voila, it worked. Now, I noticed your cylinder looked really pitted, could be an issue there. Not with the holes being plugged as you saw they looked clean.
Make sure your reservoir is full.
I spent hours trying to pump up my brakes after taking system apart and thought WTF and then read about that little trick on the forums and several people had mentioned it so I figured I would give it a shot. I am concerned with the pitting on the cylinder though. That does not look good at all.

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15 Sep 2014 15:00 #647662 by weales
Thanks dohc - would really appreciate if you could confirm the relief hole dia. The pic was a bit tricky - had to use the digital macro function with supplementary lighting carefully placed so's not to get too much glare. Regarding the carb tool - good idea not only for this job but for when I get to the carbs - although I have bought a complete ovehaul kit for the 4 carbs and will be changing out all jets after I get the bodies vapour blasted.

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2004 Yamaha FZR 600
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78 Z1-R (resto)
91 Zephyr 750
73 Mach IV (Resto)
78 Z1-R
78 Z1-R (stolen)
76 Z900
76 Z650
73 Mach IV
72 Mach III

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