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27 Mar 2009 22:23 #275981 by TeK9iNe
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OK, so here's the skinny...

I've got my frame all stripped down and looking ready for some powder. :)

When low and behold, on the underside of the frame at the very back of the main lower frame pipe (just in front of the center stand cross-pipe weld), is a crack that goes half way around the pipe! :angry:

I'm pretty sure its some kind of stress fracture from P.O. :dry:
I tried to use a spreader to open the crack slightly, but the frame is TIGHT, and it would'nt open. ;)

So... I just smashed some JB on/in it... Will this be enough?? :huh:

I'm no wheeleing this thing... :P

Cheers. B)

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27 Mar 2009 22:47 #275984 by Becker
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I'm not a frame builder but that definitely wouldn't be enough for me. I would bevel the surfaces of the crack and weld it shut. Then possibly gusset it if possible since it seems to be a stress point. JB weld can work good for some things but it doesn't fuse the metal so the crack could keep spreading. I just wouldn't be able to ride that bike comfortably knowing that.

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27 Mar 2009 23:07 #275988 by timebomb33
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you have the frame stripped down all ready get it welded it's a 1000 cc bike not a honda spree scooter do it right like becker said and you will be able to sleep at night knowing it was the right thing to do.withthe motor out it will be so much easier and then get it powder coated.

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27 Mar 2009 23:22 #275991 by jswag5
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never trust a cracked frame, ive seen people topple when a weak frame crumbled underneath them.

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28 Mar 2009 00:05 #275996 by KawiConvert
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Definitely get it welded and possibly braced or have a section welded across the cracked spot to help distribute the load. It may not spread right now, but under load if it starts moving everything else will start flexing and wear out fast.

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28 Mar 2009 06:39 #276020 by TeK9iNe
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Thanks for the replies :lol:

The bike was deffinately in an accident before I got it, so I had an old neighbor of mine look at it before I rode last year. He said the welds were fantastic, whoever did it. Theres even chunks of extra bracing everywhere. Guess we just missed that crack with all the old paint... :ohmy: :unsure: :dry:

So really, you guys dont trust the JB weld that much?
It reportedly has a higher tensile strength than steel...

Not that I care wether or not I use it or get it welded. Like said, its just a bare frame right now, its the best time while I can toss it around with a couple fingers.

never trust a cracked frame, ive seen people topple when a weak frame crumbled underneath them.

How do you check/know if a frame is a "weak one"???

Cheers.

B)

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28 Mar 2009 07:09 #276029 by trianglelaguna
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if i found crack in my frame ...i might be tempted...but in the in i would flush it....
crack kills and yours just might

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28 Mar 2009 09:59 #276063 by PLUMMEN
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drill a small hole in each end of crack before welding it up.B)

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28 Mar 2009 10:19 #276069 by donthekawguy
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JB weld will not work. Like stated before it does not bond the metal. You could use duct tape for the same effect as JB Weld on cracked metal.

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28 Mar 2009 10:31 #276075 by Becker
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JB weld might have a higher tensile strength then steel or maybe not I don't know, but it won't adhere to the metal stronger then if you welded it and it was fused with a weld.

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28 Mar 2009 10:50 #276081 by mtkawboy
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I have a crack in the gusset on the frame by the steering neck on my Z1. Its only about an inch long but it worries me. Right now theres a brace tying the 2 front frame rails together

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28 Mar 2009 10:55 #276082 by PLUMMEN
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thats a common issue on z1s and early kzs .if frame is straight it can be welded up easily enough and gusseted from back side if your worried about it happening again

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