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17 Sep 2008 06:21 #237482 by saltydog
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Has anyone tried to repair a the bore of a corroded brake master cylinder with epoxy. I am going to try it by coating the mc bore with epoxy to fill the pits in it and then ream it out to the right inside diameter.
I am talking with the tech people at West Systems Epoxy, but they aren't sure about the compatability with brake fluid. I should find out today.
I bought a new mc off ebay but I can't seem to make it work, too spongy. I suspect it may be too small, 14 mm, although they claimed it to be for a two rotor system. I seem to remember that the oem mc is 5/8, which is close to 16 mm. I will measure my old one before I do anything to it.
Any thoughts or suggestions will be appreciated.
I will report back on whether or not it works. I am going to try it, what have I got to lose?
Robert

1981 KZ1000 CSR, 1982 KZ440 ltd, 1972 Honda ct90, 1978 KZ 650

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17 Sep 2008 06:51 #237487 by Zthou1977
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Can't tell you anything about the epoxy, just thought I'd warn you that a using 14mm M/C for a two-disc setup is a sure-fire route into your local hospital or morgue. It will feel spongy, and then suddenly lock up. _Do not_ even try to use it, please...
Jeroen

1977 Z1000A1, 1982-1986 KZ1000P (built from two piles of parts), Moto Martin Z1200 (trying to get it registered), 1977 Z650B1
Utrecht, The Netherlands

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17 Sep 2008 07:00 #237488 by saltydog
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Thanks for the heads up, but why would it lock up?
Robert

1981 KZ1000 CSR, 1982 KZ440 ltd, 1972 Honda ct90, 1978 KZ 650

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17 Sep 2008 15:12 #237552 by SPARKY47
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mine had a 14mm with double discs on for years and never locked up.

1980 KZ500 B2
Location: Middle England[/b

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17 Sep 2008 19:07 - 17 Sep 2008 19:09 #237574 by steell
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To answer your question about re-doing the bore on a master cylinder, the proper way is to bore it out, then make a sleeve that's a press fit into the now bored cylinder, then hone it to size. Some machinists have a nice little home based business going, doing just that.

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17 Sep 2008 21:59 #237585 by jonnybiker
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Jeesus, Why risk your safty on a tube of freaking epoxy? Or spend the money to have it resleeved? Spend a bit of cash and get the right master that works. Theese bikes are to fast and traffic to dam dangerous to screw around with your brakes. just my opinion. jonnybiker

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18 Sep 2008 03:04 #237592 by Zthou1977
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saltydog wrote:

Thanks for the heads up, but why would it lock up?
Robert


Hi Robert,

They will lock up because of lack of "feel" in the brake lever. This site has a very handy chart to check for the best M/C-Caliper ratio: www.vintagebrake.com/mastercylinder.htm

Jeroen

PS: I'm with Jonnybiker, get a second-hand 5/8" master cylinder, do an overhaul and save money, time, and trouble.

1977 Z1000A1, 1982-1986 KZ1000P (built from two piles of parts), Moto Martin Z1200 (trying to get it registered), 1977 Z650B1
Utrecht, The Netherlands

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18 Sep 2008 08:01 #237613 by civilengr3
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saltydog wrote:

Thanks for the heads up, but why would it lock up?
Robert


Mine had the smaller m/c with dual calipers. It locked up on me. Thankfully, I was just unloading it off a trailer and not on the road.

Too much pressure is exerted on the piston trying to pump enough fluid to a dual setup. It will probably be forever spongy feel, too, since it can't pump fluid fast enough.

Get a new/correct m/c!!

1977 KZ650C
East TN

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11 Oct 2008 16:38 #241298 by saltydog
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Well, I guess this will disappoint some of you, but the epoxy worked. I get a real sense of satisfaction in being able to fix things as opposed to replacing parts. To each his own.

1981 KZ1000 CSR, 1982 KZ440 ltd, 1972 Honda ct90, 1978 KZ 650

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11 Oct 2008 17:04 #241308 by SPARKY47
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What epoxy did you use?

1980 KZ500 B2
Location: Middle England[/b

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11 Oct 2008 19:44 #241347 by PLUMMEN
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Zthou1977 wrote:

saltydog wrote:

Thanks for the heads up, but why would it lock up?
Robert


Hi Robert,

They will lock up because of lack of "feel" in the brake lever. This site has a very handy chart to check for the best M/C-Caliper ratio: www.vintagebrake.com/mastercylinder.htm

Jeroen

PS: I'm with Jonnybiker, get a second-hand 5/8" master cylinder, do an overhaul and save money, time, and trouble.

ive never had issues with small mastercylinder locking up,more of a rider preferance in my experiance.

Still recovering,some days are better than others.

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