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06 Jul 2008 00:05 - 06 Jul 2008 07:17 #224342 by seanof30306
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79 KZ650 B3

So, I'm rolling a few bikes around at the shop where my bike is being worked on. I move my bike, then I move a Honda Shadow. The shadow is much easier to move. I pull both bikes outside and it's absolutely true, the Shadow rolls much easier.

Now, my bike has a dry weight of 465lbs. According to the manual, the shadow has a dry weight of 505 lbs. I lift up on the front and rear of both bikes, and the Shadow absolutely feels heavier on both ends, so I believe that 505 lbs stat.

I recently replaced the rear wheel bearings, chain and sprockets on my bike. The calipers don't drag on the front, and the brake shoes don't drag on the rear. I don't understand how the Shadow can be nearly 50lbs heavier, yet apparently offer so much less rolling resistance. i can see where the greater mass of the bike would account for that once it's rolling, but my bike is harder to get moving, too.

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"That @#$%!!! KZ650"
79 KZ650 B3
Dual front disc brakes
Z1R 18" front wheel
Pumper carbs w/pods
MAC 4-1 w/ drilled-out baffle
Dyna S ignition w/ Dyna Green coils
WG coil mod
'81 CSR charging system
17/41 gearing
Last edit: 06 Jul 2008 07:17 by seanof30306.

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06 Jul 2008 06:19 #224378 by steell
Replied by steell on topic Rolling resistance
You have checked the air pressure in the tires, right?

Assuming you have, I'd get the front end off the ground and rotate the front tire by hand, if it rotates easily, I'd then do the same to the rear. Localize the problem so you'll know where to start looking.

If you have removed and reinstalled the front wheel, then there is a possibility that you didn't get the speedo drive back in exactly the right position and it's now causing a lot of drag.

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07 Jul 2008 10:50 #224656 by MFolks
Replied by MFolks on topic Rolling resistance
Proper chain tightness and condition of the sprockets makes a big difference (also gas economy) and as mentioned correct tire inflstion.

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)

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07 Jul 2008 15:41 #224715 by seanof30306
Replied by seanof30306 on topic Rolling resistance
Chain and sprockets are new, and the chain is properly tightened and lubed. Tires are over-inflated, if anything. I run them at 38psi.

"That @#$%!!! KZ650"
79 KZ650 B3
Dual front disc brakes
Z1R 18" front wheel
Pumper carbs w/pods
MAC 4-1 w/ drilled-out baffle
Dyna S ignition w/ Dyna Green coils
WG coil mod
'81 CSR charging system
17/41 gearing

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07 Jul 2008 17:08 #224739 by MFolks
Replied by MFolks on topic Rolling resistance
Dragging brakes are what I would look at next. When did you install new brake pads and what was the condition of the brake cylinders and both master cylinders? Also the condition of the SS brake discs.

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)

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07 Jul 2008 17:15 #224742 by seanof30306
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Brakes aren't dragging. New pads less than 200 miles ago. Close inspection with stethescope; no dragging.

"That @#$%!!! KZ650"
79 KZ650 B3
Dual front disc brakes
Z1R 18" front wheel
Pumper carbs w/pods
MAC 4-1 w/ drilled-out baffle
Dyna S ignition w/ Dyna Green coils
WG coil mod
'81 CSR charging system
17/41 gearing

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08 Jul 2008 20:34 #225030 by kzwolfsr
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Maybe since you have newer bearings, the bearing clearances in the new bearings are tighter than the honda's and the honda's are worn a little to give free play

1979 KZ SR650, stock candy persimmon red and crossover pipes
1981 KZ 1000LTD with non stock and more comfortable handle bars and 4 into one V&H
Original man of the Caribbean

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09 Jul 2008 16:15 #225228 by Qdude
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How old is the shadow?

77 KZ 650 C1.
77 KZ 650 C1.
Crashed-Repaired, Pods, Kerker pipe, re-wired core bundle, lamp upgraded, homemade rectifier, solid state regulator , Dyna-s ignition, repainted, slightly modified, year-round commuter
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09 Jul 2008 19:09 - 09 Jul 2008 19:21 #225253 by Patton
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79 KZ650 B3...recently replaced the rear wheel bearings, chain and sprockets....


Could remove chain from rear sprocket, with rear tire off ground (using centerstand or jacks or whatever), spin rear wheel and listen for any unusual sound (perhaps something went awry during installation of the new bearing). Should spin freely. Do same thing with the other bike to compare free spin of rear wheels. Then repeat with chain in place. Perhaps new o-ring chain needs a few miles to loosen up.

Then compare front wheel spin freedom the same way between bikes.

Both bikes' transmissions should be in neutral when doing the comparison. For example, either bike is likely harder to push when left in gear and relying on simply squeezing the clutch handlebar lever to permit pushing it forward.

If both bikes have same freedom of wheel spin on both wheels, and same air pressures in tires, and continue a significant difference in rolling resistance, call Guinness. :woohoo:

Good Luck! :)

1973 Z1
KZ900 LTD
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