How to widen frame?

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21 Feb 2008 18:38 #196161 by kayzednutcase
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I have a 1977 KZ1000 frame and i would like to install a really nice Honda swingarm/ monoshock set up that i have. The problem is that the swingarm pivot point is 1" wider than the frame pivot point. The swingarm cannot be made shorter, it's impossible, so any ideas on widing the frame without it getting twisted? And once it's done, how do i check that it's really straight? Is this a job for a professional shop?
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21 Feb 2008 19:14 #196169 by PLUMMEN
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narrowing swingarm or finding narrower arm would be much easier than widening swingarm mounting area.;)

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21 Feb 2008 19:46 #196178 by kayzednutcase
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I agree but isn't this a nice looking swingarm?

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21 Feb 2008 19:48 #196180 by kayzednutcase
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Trya again..
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21 Feb 2008 19:51 #196182 by PLUMMEN
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im kinda partial to this one myself,if it ever gets finished anyway!:P suzuki swingarms tend to work really good widthwise,check solomrus's swingarm swap i think he used a 600 kawasaki or something like that that looked similar to yours;)

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22 Feb 2008 07:45 #196240 by 531blackbanshee
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i think mill .500 off each side,some solid bronze bushings and it is in there.i have had to do that to put late model honda swingarms in older chassis(f3-f4 maybe).or cut it off build a new pivot tube and weld it back on.i just hate to make chassis modifications,when i can modify the part itself.thats my take anyway,fwiw.

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22 Feb 2008 08:48 #196256 by StreetfighterKz
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531blackbanshee wrote:

i think mill .500 off each side,some solid bronze bushings and it is in there.i have had to do that to put late model honda swingarms in older chassis or cut it off build a new pivot tube and weld it back on.


Due to the way that the arm is cast I'm not sure he can just cut off what he can't use. I'd be leary of welding on to a cast part like that. Now if it was extruded or machined like that I wouldn't think twice. But welding to a cast part that's in such a high stress area would scare the crap outta me.

I think if he really wants to use the arm he can either widen the frame OR grab a Kz100ST frame which is a couple inches wider.

Later, Doug

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1976 z900 Stripfighter (work in progress)
1983 Gpz750 Resto-Mod
1989 Vmax

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22 Feb 2008 09:05 #196262 by 531blackbanshee
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the factory sure didn't hesitate to weld on it.

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1976 kz 900 x 3
i make what i can,and save the rest!

billybiltit.blogspot.com/

www.kzrider.com/forum/5-chassis/325862-triple-tree-custom-work

kzrider.com/forum/5-chassis/294594-frame-bracing?limitstart=0

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22 Feb 2008 09:21 #196266 by hardr0ck68
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what shocks me are the shock mounts. For all the ruggednesses of a built swingarm thay are such little guys...I have often thought if they can handle the load than the swingarm will be more than able.


Just my thought... prove me wrong and show me a swingarm swap that also reinforced the shock mounts!! (i would honestly be happy because i have a zrx1100 rear end, that I plan on adding to my 650...I want to know how to do it right!)

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bought it because I was told it would never run again...I like to prove people wrong.

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22 Feb 2008 09:54 #196276 by 77KZ650
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crude 30 sec MSpaint pic of what i would do:



just get a good machinist/welder to do it

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22 Feb 2008 10:29 #196281 by StreetfighterKz
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531blackbanshee wrote:

the factory sure didn't hesitate to weld on it.



True...point taken.

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1976 z900 Stripfighter (work in progress)
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