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82 KZ750 won’t start, just clicks
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I had been able to start my project 750 fairly easily for a while. It sat for a while when I didn’t have the spare time to work on it and then when I tried to start her again it struggled. It would try and turn over but never started. In the process of trying to get her to fire back up again it all of a sudden went quiet and started making a clicking noise from the solenoid whenever I pressed the start button.
It had done this before when I first started working on it and I replaced the solenoid then it was fine. This time I replaced it with the same solenoid (ordered a new one) and it continues to click. I tried bridging the terminals and it doesn’t spark at all (it did the last time).
I’ve tried checking the wires the best that I can but the harness is a bit of a mess from the previous owner. I checked the main fuse box and neither the 20a or the two 10a appear blown. I’ve charged and recharged the battery on and off the bike and that’s fine, still clicks.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance
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get your meter ready
You may need an extra set of hands or alligator clips to hold the probes in place.
set your meter to DC V
ignition on/engine off
Turn off the fuel valve.
Black probe on battery negative post( the post will be the metal part of the battery not the metal part of the battery cable)
Red probe on battery positive post
Note voltage
Crank starter
Note voltage
Black probe on negative battery post
Red probe on starter terminal in green square
Crank starter
Note voltage
Black probe on negative battery post
Red probe on metal part of starter case
Crank starter
Note voltage
Turn off ignition
These readings will check your battery, your wiring and starter.
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Mr_Blonde wrote: It had done this before when I first started working on it and I replaced the solenoid then it was fine. This time I replaced it with the same solenoid (ordered a new one) and it continues to click. I tried bridging the terminals and it doesn’t spark at all (it did the last time).
This looks like it's either the battery or the starter motor itself. You can test the battery and starter following F64's steps, but if you don't have a multimeter, you can just test it with a spare battery too. If you connect up a spare battery (car battery is fine, but don't start the car) and it cranks, it's probably the battery that's gone.
Keep in mind that the battery box is often isolated from the rest of the frame, so make sure that your battery ground is connected to the frame, not the battery box. I fixed a KZ250 that wouldn't start without jumping even with a new battery, turned out it was the battery was grounded to the battery box and the only connection to ground left was a small ground wire that ran to the gauges I think. The small wire was enough to keep the bike running, but not enough to start it.
1981 KZ750 LTD
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I just picked up a multimeter but haven't gotten into using it yet. I pulled the battery and put it on my charger but for some reason it was saying it was fully charged (lit up green) at only 13.6. Manual says it should read at 14.5 across the terminals?
Irish I did check the ground from the battery and its grounded to the engine case on the right side (where its supposed to be?). Looks like the case had been painted so I took off the wire and brushed the paint off under the connection to make sure there was no interference there.
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Test battery on and off charger.
Hooked up to bike without ignition “on” read 13.06.
Turned ignition “On” read 13.06 but started creeping down by .01
Cranked starter, dropped immediately in 12s - 12.5 and kept dropping with each crank.
To starter motor - 12.40 with starter cranked. Would spike to 13.4 initially then settle at 12.4.
I’m guessing it’s a connection somewhere that’s bleeding voltage? Or bad battery (even though it was brand new in May)?
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Your wiring to the starter on the positive side are good.
The battery seems ok.
Have you been able to spin the motor with the starter?
Can you rotate the engine by hand?
I want to know the last reading though.
The one with the probe on the starter case and the negative terminal.
The voltage will be low just write it down
That will tell us how good your ground side of the circuit is.
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F64 wrote: The drops into the 12's are normal. The big thing is---did the starter turn ok or did it just click?
Your wiring to the starter on the positive side are good.
The battery seems ok.
Have you been able to spin the motor with the starter?
Can you rotate the engine by hand?
I want to know the last reading though.
The one with the probe on the starter case and the negative terminal.
The voltage will be low just write it down
That will tell us how good your ground side of the circuit is.
The starter did not turn, the solenoid continued to click. I haven’t tried to manually turn the motor by hand. What do you mean “soon the motor with the starter”? I’ve been able to getting it started before, yes - if that’s what you’re asking but don’t think it is.
Must have missed that last reading when I was working through. Will get it next time I’m working
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See if you can turn the crankshaft with a wrench. I'm not sure which way you need to rotate it(counterclockwise--just looked it up).
Just trying to see if the motor may be seized or hard to rotate.
The spin the motor comment was me repeating myself by mistake...you answered it with saying the starter was clicking.
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F64 wrote: Yeah, it's looking like a mechanical issue. Could be the engine or starter.
See if you can turn the crankshaft with a wrench. I'm not sure which way you need to rotate it(counterclockwise--just looked it up).
Just trying to see if the motor may be seized or hard to rotate.
The spin the motor comment was me repeating myself by mistake...you answered it with saying the starter was clicking.
Reading was 33.1 mV without clicking start button, 54.6 mV when I click it.
Crank shaft turns by hand, a little “sticky” feeling but otherwise free - see video
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I want you to take one more reading before I say it's the starter.
It's not fun pulling the starter and finding out it's a wire connection.
meter on DC V
Red probe on positive battery post
Black probe on the starter terminal post( the post will be the bolt the terminal will attach to. This will check the terminal on the wire as well as the wire)
Crank the engine and take the reading. Should be less than .5 volts dc. If higher than .5, then there is high resistance on that section of wire.
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