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Points to trigger 7-pin GM HEI ignitor.
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20 Sep 2019 09:26 - 22 Sep 2019 17:18 #811102
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1981 KZ550 D1 gpz.
Kz550 valve train warning.
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Points to trigger 7-pin GM HEI ignitor. was created by loudhvx
I already had a version for 4-pin HEI modules, but those modules are no longer manufactured the same and various manufacturers are using different designs so they are not predictable any more, as to what you will get.
The 7-pin modules are far more uniformly made, at least the half-dozen or so I've tested have been.
They can sometimes be had online for $10.
Using points to trigger an igniter prevents pitting and greatly increases the life of a set of points, almost indefinitely. (You still have to wipe them off and lube the cam etc., but they will not pit). It also eliminates the condenser. It gives a much more consistent spark especially compared to points that have some miles on them. But the biggest advantage, in my opinion, is that the adapter circuit allows for an automatic shut-off feature. This is when the circuit "times out" when it doesn't receive a points pulse for a certain amount of time (.5 to 2 seconds), it automatically discharges the coil, then it is set to wait for the next points pulse.
Here is the 7-pin version of using points to trigger an ignitor.
s3.amazonaws.com/gpzweb/Ignition/GPZhei7pinModForPoints.html
I will try to post actual Digikey part numbers on the diagram so parts gathering will be easier (Radio Shack used to be so convenient, but a thing of the past).
This project was part of the reason I took on a couple Kz400 projects this summer. Both bikes now start and run much smoother using old pitted points. Prior to using the HEI modules, I could file the points and get the bikes running fine for a awhile, but after just a few miles, the pit would rapidly degrade and the bike would stutter at higher RPMs.
The 7-pin modules are far more uniformly made, at least the half-dozen or so I've tested have been.
They can sometimes be had online for $10.
Using points to trigger an igniter prevents pitting and greatly increases the life of a set of points, almost indefinitely. (You still have to wipe them off and lube the cam etc., but they will not pit). It also eliminates the condenser. It gives a much more consistent spark especially compared to points that have some miles on them. But the biggest advantage, in my opinion, is that the adapter circuit allows for an automatic shut-off feature. This is when the circuit "times out" when it doesn't receive a points pulse for a certain amount of time (.5 to 2 seconds), it automatically discharges the coil, then it is set to wait for the next points pulse.
Here is the 7-pin version of using points to trigger an ignitor.
s3.amazonaws.com/gpzweb/Ignition/GPZhei7pinModForPoints.html
I will try to post actual Digikey part numbers on the diagram so parts gathering will be easier (Radio Shack used to be so convenient, but a thing of the past).
This project was part of the reason I took on a couple Kz400 projects this summer. Both bikes now start and run much smoother using old pitted points. Prior to using the HEI modules, I could file the points and get the bikes running fine for a awhile, but after just a few miles, the pit would rapidly degrade and the bike would stutter at higher RPMs.
1981 KZ550 D1 gpz.
Kz550 valve train warning.
Other links.
Last edit: 22 Sep 2019 17:18 by loudhvx.
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20 Sep 2019 09:46 #811105
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78 KZ650sr
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Replied by Nebr_Rex on topic Points to trigger 7-pin GM HEI ignitor.
Very interesting.
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79 KZ1000mk2 prodject
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81 KZ750e
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77 KZ400/440 cafe project
76 KZ400/440 Fuel Injected
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20 Sep 2019 19:18 - 20 Sep 2019 19:19 #811134
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Replied by Nessism on topic Points to trigger 7-pin GM HEI ignitor.
Brilliant. Even an electrical clux could follow your guide.
Hope you don't mind but I posted a link on the GS website.
Hope you don't mind but I posted a link on the GS website.
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20 Sep 2019 20:05 #811135
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Replied by loudhvx on topic Points to trigger 7-pin GM HEI ignitor.
Great! Thank you.
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21 Sep 2019 00:53 #811137
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AIR CORRECTOR JETS FOR VM CARBS AND ETHANOL RESISTANT VITON CHOKE PLUNGER SEAL REPLACMENT FOR ALL CLASSIC AND MODERN MOTORCYCLE CARBURETTORS
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Replied by zed1015 on topic Points to trigger 7-pin GM HEI ignitor.
I have a Bill Hahn HEI distributor ignition for the Zed that uses the 4 pin module
Will this mod work with that ?
Will this mod work with that ?
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21 Sep 2019 08:03 #811141
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Kz550 valve train warning.
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Replied by loudhvx on topic Points to trigger 7-pin GM HEI ignitor.
I'm not familiar with that ignition system. The 4-pin modules are still available so that is probably the best way to go.
The 7-pin does not have an internal dwell extension feature like the older 4-pin modules do because the 7-pin was made to be used with an ECM. The 4-pin unit was meant as a complete system. So if the distributor makes use of the dwell extension feature of the 4-pin module, the 7-pin module won't work correctly.
The 7-pin does not have an internal dwell extension feature like the older 4-pin modules do because the 7-pin was made to be used with an ECM. The 4-pin unit was meant as a complete system. So if the distributor makes use of the dwell extension feature of the 4-pin module, the 7-pin module won't work correctly.
1981 KZ550 D1 gpz.
Kz550 valve train warning.
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