Wired George Mod - No spark

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01 Mar 2016 17:24 #713323 by bountyhunter
Replied by bountyhunter on topic Wired George Mod - No spark

krayneeum wrote: BUT, one issue remains it seems:
-- sometimes if I switch to handle switches from RUN from OFF and back to RUN again, the relay doesn't turn (I don't hear it click). I think I may be having some grounding issues inside the controls? Not sure what else would be causing this problem..

On mine, the Off-RUN-OFF switch is a 12V feed line. If the relay is grounded on the negative side, it should switch on and off as the 12V is applied.

1979 KZ-750 Twin

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03 Mar 2016 12:33 #713636 by krayneeum
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bountyhunter wrote:

krayneeum wrote: It really is insane how much of a difference it made-- so much more power!!! ..


Then I would suspect the coil is bad.


Well these are 1 year old coils, but that's not out of the question I guess. But really I measured a clear voltage loss through the harness before the mod. Coils are simply now getting proper voltage-- that would account for more power, don't ya think?

On mine, the Off-RUN-OFF switch is a 12V feed line. If the relay is grounded on the negative side, it should switch on and off as the 12V is applied.


100%. Just need to crack open the switches and make sure everything is neat and sitting correctly.

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04 Mar 2016 01:27 - 04 Mar 2016 01:30 #713730 by bountyhunter
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krayneeum wrote:

bountyhunter wrote:

krayneeum wrote: It really is insane how much of a difference it made-- so much more power!!! ..


Then I would suspect the coil is bad.


Well these are 1 year old coils, but that's not out of the question I guess. But really I measured a clear voltage loss through the harness before the mod. Coils are simply now getting proper voltage-- that would account for more power, don't ya think?

No. Any decent coil should be able to put out sufficient spark even with a pretty low voltage, I would guess as low as maybe 8V should still be plenty. The thing about spark is this: they design in extra, and you only need enough to light the mix. Extra doesn't do anything more. Although a very weak spark can cause bad running, once you get it up far enough going higher doesn't increase power. I suspect a voltage starved coil would show diminished abilities at highest RPM's but I think the voltage would have to be pretty low.

Remember that under starting (cold crank) your battery voltage can drop as low as about 8V and the designers also allow some voltage losses in switches and harness connectors so that coil has to be designed to fire your engine with as low as about 5V driving the POS terminal. We designed IC's and systems for automotive and they all had to be certified for full performance down to 5V because of cold crank requirement. When the engine fires, your system voltage will come up to about 14V as it raises the battery voltage up. At that point you should have AT LEAST 10V or more on that coil unless there is something seriously wrong with your ignition switch or harness connectors.

What voltage was at the coil terminal?

1979 KZ-750 Twin
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