Please help! Charging problem

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Please help! Charging problem

05 Jun 2014 16:14
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My 77 KZ1000 ran the battery down while I was riding last weekend. I checked voltage across the battery terminals and it would not go above 12 volts. The battery was old, so I replaced it with a new Scorpion AGM. The battery tested 12.3 volts out of the box. It still won't charge. I unplugged the voltage regulator and at 4k rpm with lights off it will slowly go up to 13.5 volts. I checked the resistance of the stator coils and all 3 are 0.9 ohms. My manual says they should be no higher than 0.7 ohms. I removed the stator cover and it smells burnt, but I don't see anything that looks burnt. Should I just replace the stator? I thought it was odd that all 3 stator coils test the same resistance. I would think that one would be drastically different than the others if there was a problem. What do you think?
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Re: Please help! Charging problem

05 Jun 2014 16:21
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Have you checked the rectifier? Ed
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Re: Please help! Charging problem

05 Jun 2014 16:28
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I forgot to mention I have a combo rectifier/regulator. I plugged the original rectifier and regulator in and nothing changed. The originals worked when I took them off.
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Re: Please help! Charging problem

05 Jun 2014 18:35
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Did you measure the AC output? IIRC should be in the 50VAC range.

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Re: Please help! Charging problem

05 Jun 2014 19:37 - 05 Jun 2014 19:37
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If not already done, would also check to assure that the black-yellow wire from the regulator/rectifier is furnishing a good ground.

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Re: Please help! Charging problem

07 Jun 2014 16:51
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Ok, a little update. I tested the stator this morning. It's putting out 50 volts AC across all three coils at around 4k rpm. I disconnected all the plugs under the left side cover and cleaned them. I also discovered two more wire connectors behind the metal bracket that houses all the plugs. I cleaned them too. Put everything back together. The battery voltage is 12.3 volts with the engine off. Engine at 4k rpms and lights on I get 12.8 volts. It jumps to 13.8 if i shut off the lights. I unplugged the voltage regulator and it goes to 15 volts. Hopefully it was just a bad connection somewhere. I'm charging the battery right now. It's a brand new battery and I never got a chance to charge it before i put it in.

How do these numbers sound? Normal?
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Re: Please help! Charging problem

07 Jun 2014 18:16
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Corrosion lowers current and voltage due to resistance, so fully charge the battery, and try again. www.electrosport.com has a troubleshooting page, that's helpful.
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Re: Please help! Charging problem

07 Jun 2014 18:55
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Per FSM, the "standard" measured voltage between battery posts at 5000 rpm with high beam ON is 14.0~15.0 V.

This presupposes a good fully charged battery.

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Re: Please help! Charging problem

08 Jun 2014 05:30
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MFolks wrote: Corrosion lowers current and voltage due to resistance, so fully charge the battery, and try again. www.electrosport.com has a troubleshooting page, that's helpful.

They do have some great info on their page. I noticed that they said the number one problem with charging systems is bad connections! I downloaded their fault finding chart. Hopefully I won't need it!
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Re: Please help! Charging problem

08 Jun 2014 05:35
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This stuff works great for cleaning contacts. Various places, including Radio Shack, sell it. Ed

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Re: Please help! Charging problem

08 Jun 2014 07:15
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There should be something like 75V AC with no load on the stator. 50V DC indicates a failing stator. Even with decent no load voltage, the stator may be failing and not provide good output when under load.

Needless to say, make sure your connections are good. If your R/R has a sense wire, make sure it is seeing voltage properly. Test by placing the wire directly on the positive battery post.

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Re: Please help! Charging problem

08 Jun 2014 07:57
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650ed wrote: This stuff works great for cleaning contacts. Various places, including Radio Shack, sell it. Ed

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I will check that out. I've been using CRC brand contact cleaner.
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