Troubleshooting and/or upgrading charging system

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30 May 2014 12:20 #634649 by TheForumTroll
My bike seems to turn the starter pretty slow and I had to push the bike today to get it running after some slow city driving. Could some kind soul tell me how to troubleshoot the charging system?

I'm thinking the battery (looks old) will need replacing to something better (what?) but I'd also like to make sure if the rest is working perfect or need some fixing while I'm at it.

I'm in Europe so if naming any brands it would be nice if it's not a US only product (:

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30 May 2014 12:42 #634652 by Patton
Aren't all Czech motorcycles like that? :lol:

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Checking out the charging system is more accurately done with a good freshly charged battery already installed at the time of the test.

Measure voltage between the battery posts at idle rpm (look for 13+ volts) and again at 4000 rpm (look for 14+ volts).

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30 May 2014 13:15 #634664 by TheForumTroll
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:blush: I forgot that I couldn't add it to the topic (too long).

It's a kz700. I believe there is only one type of them.

I'll add a new battery tomorrow and start measuring. I'm waiting for the service manual to arrive but I can't wait, hence the many questions :laugh:

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30 May 2014 13:23 #634667 by bountyhunter
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TheForumTroll wrote: My bike seems to turn the starter pretty slow and I had to push the bike today to get it running after some slow city driving. Could some kind soul tell me how to troubleshoot the charging system? (:


Get any decent voltmeter. Measure the battery voltage with the engine revs at about 3K RPM. The battery should read between about 13.5V and 14.5V. If it does, the charging system is probably working.

To test the battery: trickle charge it for a couple of days to top it off. Pull the spark plug wires OFF the plugs. Attach voltmeter to the battery and read voltage as you crank the engine using the starter. If the battery voltage stays above about 9V, it is probably OK. below 9V it is probably getting weak. 8V or below and it is toast.

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31 May 2014 08:37 #634764 by TheForumTroll
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I did the tests. The battery took a little bit of charge from a charger, but almost nothing. It doesn't seem to drop completely off to zero though?


The voltage at idle was at 12.6 I think. At 4000 rpm it was at 13.2. It doesn't go much higher than that. Running the starter test gave a reading of above 10v.

I've already ordered a new battery. I hope it helps. The bike starts easy hot but is impossible to start after standing for a night. Had to push it again this morning.

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31 May 2014 11:56 #634786 by bountyhunter
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TheForumTroll wrote: The voltage at idle was at 12.6 I think. At 4000 rpm it was at 13.2. It doesn't go much higher than that. Running the starter test gave a reading of above 10v.

I've already ordered a new battery. I hope it helps. The bike starts easy hot but is impossible to start after standing for a night. Had to push it again this morning.

If the battery held 10V under starter crank, it sounds like it's a good battery. If the charging system can only get the voltage up to 13.2V @ 4k RPM, it is not charging the battery with enough current. Something in the charging circuit is probably hosed.

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31 May 2014 12:24 #634789 by TheForumTroll
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Anyone have a guide on how to go about checking it? I've looked in the service manual I have download but it's not that easy to see what's what and the one I ordered hasn't arrived yet so I'm quite lost.

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03 Jun 2014 15:38 #635194 by MFolks
Alternator Testing For the Older 4’s(Z1’s,Kz 900’s, Kz1000’s,Kz1100’s and GPz1100’s).

I’d imagine the testing will apply to your bike too, but if you have the owners manual, the ohm test may be different.

To check to see if the alternator is working you need to follow these simple steps:

1. Fully charge the battery as this will be the power source during this test.

2. Disconnect the Regulator/Rectifier at the plug that has the six wires in it.

3. Start the engine and let it warm to operating temperature.

4. If you're worried about overheating, position a large fan for cooling the engine.

5. After the engine has reached operating temperature, have a helper assist you, and using a multi-meter, read the output at the three yellow wires (or the alternator output wires)at the disconnected connector.

6. Raise the engine speed to 4000 rpm, and see what the three YELLOW wire combinations(or any alternator output wires) are(1-3, 2-3 & 1-2). The output will be around 50 Volts A.C.(Alternating Current). BE CAREFUL, AS THERE IS A SHOCK HAZARD HERE!!

7. If any of the combinations are low or non-existent, the stator(wire windings) are bad and must be replaced. Some of the older Z1’s and KZ900’s were reported to be phase sensitive, so check the wire colors carefully.

8. Using an OHMETER, Check the three wire combinations again, looking for a reading of 0.36 - 0.54 OHMS. If the readings are above or below, the stator may be bad and need replacement. Also check from any of the three YELLOW wires to ground, this will show if arcing took place. Check only with the engine off !!

9. Before ordering a new stator, check the connections from the stator as there are electrical "Bullet" connectors that may be damaged or dirty.
Inspect the wiring for signs of shorting or overheating too. www.z1enterprises.com sells replacement rubber grommets for the alternator output wiring, they get hard and could leak oil after a while.

10. Check the wiring coming out of the grommet as there have been situations where the wires were damaged causing a short(I.E. twisted together with insulation damage).

11. The sprocket cover will have to be removed to access the electrical connectors coming from the alternator, the left foot peg assembly and shifting lever will have to come off also.


Alternator Stator Replacement On the Older 4’s
Source for replacement Stators

A. www.electrosport.com (They have a trouble shooting page)
B. www.customrewind.com
C. www.rmstator.com
D. www.ricksmotorsportselectrics.com
E. www.regulatorrectifier.com

1. If by testing either by checking the output voltage from the stator or by using and ohmmeter for resistance and the stator is determined to be bad, replacing the stator is not a difficult job.

2. The motorcycle owner should have on hand a replacement alternator gasket as it will tear on removal and leak if reused.

3. Put the bike on the center stand if possible and lean it to the right to minimize the oil volume that could come out when the alternator cover is removed.

4. Have selection of Metric wrenches and sockets along with Metric Allen keys to be able to accomplish this repair. ¼" and 3/8" ratchets and extensions may be needed along with Allen bits.

5. Remove the gear shift lever, the sprocket cover and possibly the left foot peg assembly.

6. A catch pan for what little oil will be lost should be positioned under the alternator on the left side. Newspapers will soak up any oil lost or some kitty litter will do as an absorbent.

7. Remove the alternator cover fasteners, some bikes use a socket head cap screw(Allen type) and others use the Phillips head type, the #3 screwdriver bit fits best for those. Use a small dish or can to collect the removed fasteners from the parts to prevent loss/damage.

8. The alternator stator is secured to the inside of the cover usually with three Allen headed bolts, Some bikes may have Torx style fasteners, Remove them and disconnect the three yellow wires that have bullet connectors on them from the bundled wires inside the sprocket cover.

9. If your bike has some color other than yellow for the alternator output wires, make note of what goes where as the older Kawasaki’s were phase sensitive in regard to the regulator/rectifiers.

10. When installing the replacement stator, clock or position the output wires and grommet so they fit into the small port under the alternator cover without being pinched or damaged.

11. Tighten the three Allen or Torx fasteners, securing the replacement stator to the cover. I like using the BLUE Loctite # 242 for hardware that can be removed with hand tools.

12. Remove the old gasket from the mating surfaces of the alternator cover and engine case by scraping with a piece of sharpened plastic like Lexan or Plexi-glass as these will not gouge the soft Aluminum Cases. Avoid using a metal gasket scraper for this.

13. Position the alternator cover, checking for pinched wiring and install the fasteners with a little silver anti-seize on the threads, tightening to the correct torque.

14. Connect up the output wires to the mating female bullet connectors and while you’re in there, check the routing of the wire bundle that runs through there.

15. Inspect for signs of heat damage to the wire insulation and vibration damage too.

16. The side stand switch, neutral switch, and oil pressure switch wiring are all bundled with the alternator output wiring running above and behind the engine output sprocket. This bundle runs in a channel as it goes up toward the various electrical connections.

17. The regulator/rectifier plug on the 80’s bikes usually has six wires in it:

A. One (1)WHITE with RED stripe, this is the bikes main power wire usually 12 gauge in size.

B. One(1) smaller Brown wire, probably 18 gauge or so, the voltage sense wire for the regulator/rectifier, helps keeping it from overcharging the battery.

C. One(1) BLACK with YELLOW stripe wire, part of the ground circuits, maybe 16 gauge in size.

D. Three(3) YELLOW wires, maybe 14 gauge in size, the alternator output wires going to the regulator/rectifier which converts the Alternating Current(A.C.) to Direct Current(D.C.) using rectification, producing the power to run the motorcycle and charge the battery.

18. Reinstall the sprocket cover, again checking for pinched wires before tightening. Install the shifter on it’s splined shaft checking for proper location, and the left side foot peg assembly.

19. Except for the minor oil spill and reluctant fasteners, it’s not a very difficult job to do.

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