Battery or alternator?

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03 Apr 2014 09:14 #627670 by phillyman2633
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Hey guys, YouTube mechanic here so please try to stay with me.

'82 KZ750N1 Spectre...having a problem. When I first bought the bike, I accidentally left the key in the ON position overnight (duh, lol). The battery didn't have enough power to start it the next morning, so I took it to a local shp who charged it for me (I don't have a trickle charger). Battery has been fine up until this point, until yesterday.

Hot day in Florida, I drove to the bank and went inside for 5 minutes, came back out and tried to start it up. No go on the first 2 cranks. Let it sit for a few minutes, tried again, no go. (I am assuming maybe I flooded the engine since it was such a hot start). Let it sit for 5 more minutes...as I tried to crank it, it was turning veeerryyy slowly, like the battery was about to die, then BOOM it caught (very happy I did not get stranded!!). I drove it hard around town, thinking to charge the battery...

My bike has a voltmeter/tachometer, and I know that previously when I would be idling at a light it would read at just over 12V when I pushed the volts button on the cluster. If I was cranking out 3-4k RPM, it would read somewhere around 14V...over 12V means the battery is charging. Now when I push the button at idle, it's putting out maybe 10.5V and even when I'm really cranking it it's just barely registering over 11V, yet the bike will still start and run.

So, long story for a short question...do I need a new stator coil or a new battery?

Thanks in advance!

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03 Apr 2014 09:47 #627676 by 650ed
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Maybe neither. I would run the diagnostics in the Kawasaki Service Manual to troubleshoot the problem, and I would have the battery tested. It's possible that the battery is at fault, but it is also quite possible that the voltage regulator is malfunctioning. I would not even consider replacing the stator or other parts before running all the tests to pin down the source of the problem. Ed

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03 Apr 2014 10:01 #627680 by MFolks
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I wrote this for the bigger 4's, but the testing should be the same for your bike:

Alternator Testing For the Older 4’s(Z1’s,Kz 900’s, Kz1000’s,Kz1100’s and GPz1100’s).

To check to see if the alternator is working you need to follow these simple steps:

1. Fully charge the battery as this will be the power source during this test.

2. Disconnect the Regulator/Rectifier at the plug that has the six wires in it.

3. Start the engine and let it warm to operating temperature.

4. If you're worried about overheating, position a large fan for cooling the engine.

5. After the engine has reached operating temperature, have a helper assist you, and using a multi-meter, read the output at the three yellow wires (or the alternator output wires)at the disconnected connector.

6. Raise the engine speed to 4000 rpm, and see what the three YELLOW wire combinations(or any alternator output wires) are(1-3, 2-3 & 1-2). The output will be around 50 Volts A.C.(Alternating Current). BE CAREFUL, AS THERE IS A SHOCK HAZARD HERE!!

7. If any of the combinations are low or non-existent, the stator(wire windings) are bad and must be replaced. Some of the older Z1’s and KZ900’s were reported to be phase sensitive, so check the wire colors carefully.

8. Using an OHMETER, Check the three wire combinations again, looking for a reading of 0.36 - 0.54 OHMS. If the readings are above or below, the stator may be bad and need replacement. Also check from any of the three YELLOW wires to ground, this will show if arcing took place. Check only with the engine off !!

9. Before ordering a new stator, check the connections from the stator as there are electrical "Bullet" connectors that may be damaged or dirty.
Inspect the wiring for signs of shorting or overheating too. www.z1enterprises.com sells replacement rubber grommets for the alternator output wiring, they get hard and could leak oil after a while.

10. Check the wiring coming out of the grommet as there have been situations where the wires were damaged causing a short(I.E. twisted together with insulation damage).

11. The sprocket cover will have to be removed to access the electrical connectors coming from the alternator, the left foot peg assembly and shifting lever will have to come off also.

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)

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03 Apr 2014 10:05 #627681 by MFolks
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Alternator Stator Replacement On the Older 4’s (your bike should be listed on these websites)
Source for replacement Stators
A. www.electrosport.com (They have a trouble shooting page)
B. www.customrewind.com
C. www.rmstator.com
D. www.ricksmotorsportselectrics.com
E. www.regulatorrectifier.com

1. If by testing either by checking the output voltage from the stator or by using and ohmmeter for resistance and the stator is determined to be bad, replacing the stator is not a difficult job.

2. The motorcycle owner should have on hand a replacement alternator gasket as it will tear on removal and leak if reused.

3. Put the bike on the center stand if possible and lean it to the right to minimize the oil volume that could come out when the alternator cover is removed.

4. Have selection of Metric wrenches and sockets along with Metric Allen keys to be able to accomplish this repair. ¼” and 3/8” ratchets and extensions may be needed along with Allen bits.

5. Remove the gear shift lever, the sprocket cover and possibly the left foot peg assembly.

6. A catch pan for what little oil will be lost should be positioned under the alternator on the left side. Newspapers will soak up any oil lost or some kitty litter will do as an absorbent.

7. Remove the alternator cover fasteners, some bikes use a socket head cap screw(Allen type) and others use the Phillips head type, the #3 screwdriver bit fits best for those. Use a small dish or can to collect the removed fasteners from the parts to prevent loss/damage.

8. The alternator stator is secured to the inside of the cover usually with three Allen headed bolts, Some bikes may have Torx style fasteners, Remove them and disconnect the three yellow wires that have bullet connectors on them from the bundled wires inside the sprocket cover.

9. If your bike has some color other than yellow for the alternator output wires, make note of what goes where as the older Kawasaki’s were phase sensitive in regard to the regulator/rectifiers.

10. When installing the replacement stator, clock or position the output wires and grommet so they fit into the small port under the alternator cover without being pinched or damaged.

11. Tighten the three Allen or Torx fasteners, securing the replacement stator to the cover. I like using the BLUE Loctite # 242 for hardware that can be removed with hand tools.

12. Remove the old gasket from the mating surfaces of the alternator cover and engine case by scraping with a piece of sharpened plastic like Lexan or Plexiglass as these will not gouge the soft Aluminum Cases. Avoid using a metal gasket scraper for this.

13. Position the alternator cover, checking for pinched wiring and install the fasteners with a little silver anti-seize on the threads, tightening to the correct torque.

14. Connect up the output wires to the mating female bullet connectors and while you’re in there, check the routing of the wire bundle that runs through there.

15. Inspect for signs of heat damage to the wire insulation and vibration damage too.

16. The side stand switch, neutral switch, and oil pressure switch wiring are all bundled with the alternator output wiring running above and behind the engine output sprocket. This bundle runs in a channel as it goes up toward the various electrical connections.

17. The regulator/rectifier plug on the 80’s bikes usually has six wires in it:

A. One WHITE with RED stripe, this is the bikes main power wire usually 12 gauge in size.

B. One smaller Brown wire, probably 18 gauge or so, the voltage sense wire for the regulator/rectifier, helps keeping it from overcharging the battery.

C. One BLACK with YELLOW stripe wire, part of the ground circuits, maybe 16 gauge in size.

D. Three YELLOW wires, the alternator output wires going to the regulator/rectifier which converts the Alternating Current(A.C.) to Direct Current(D.C.) using rectification, producing the power to run the motorcycle and charge the battery.

18. Reinstall the sprocket cover, again checking for pinched wires before tightening. Install the shifter on it’s splined shaft checking for proper location, and the left side foot peg assembly.

19. Except for the minor oil spill and reluctant fasteners, it’s not a very difficult job to do.

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)

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03 Apr 2014 11:30 #627691 by phillyman2633
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As always MFolks, thanks for the detailed answer!

Ed: there's a mechanic at work who said he would test the battery. He also mentioned that it could be the regulator, that if it was just a stator problem that the bike wouldn't be charging at all. Will report back after the battery test tomorrow.

Just pricing things out, it looks like no matter what component it is, if it is one of the 3 (stator, battery, regulator) it should be a fairly easy fix and less that $100 (knock on wood).

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03 Apr 2014 12:52 #627699 by Patton
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If not already done, would also check and assure integrity of the ground connection where the battery's negative cable attaches to the rear of the engine.

Good Fortune! :)

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