Coil Voltage: Getting Closer

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19 Mar 2014 12:07 #625775 by daless
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Months back, when putting in a new harness, there were three female bullet connectors under the tank with nowhere to go: brown, brown/white, and blue/white. Realized they were meant to go up to a headlight switch, however, my bike came with the switch removed. I had no power to the headlight until I touched all three together.

At the time, I didn't have the proper connectors, so I rigged up a sketchy connection with automotive connectors and a spare female piece with four inputs. The headlight lit up and the bike started, so I was satisfied for the time being.

More recently, going through everything to locate a two volt drop at the coils , I noticed if i disconnected those wires voltage shot right up to where it should be, albeit no headlight. Figured, "Okay, lets get some proper connectors on there with proper crimps and that should help." It did, a little. I got back one volt, but still could use one more.

Now I'm thinking if I wire up an actual headlight switch and connect it to those wires how it was meant to be, that may solve things, no? Any input much appreciated as always, though I'm not interested in any band-aids here. Gotta fix it right!

'77 KZ1000A1 - Mikuni VM29s, Kerker 4-1, K&N pods, LTD mags, Z2 seat

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19 Mar 2014 14:13 #625787 by MFolks
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Do you have a shop manual with the wiring diagram? If not, maybe these websites can help you:

Manuals (Some of these websites sell used manuals, just ask)
www.repairmanual.com
www.manualsnmore.com
www.midwestmanuals.com/
www.books4cars.com/
www.repairmanualclub.com/motomanuals/
moto-manuals.com/
www.e-classicbike.com/
www.repairthatmotorcycle.com/manuals/kawasaki.html

Also, www.easternbeaver.com has many electrical connectors on their website.

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)

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19 Mar 2014 15:13 #625796 by koolaid_kid
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What voltage are you getting at what RPM? (It goes up as RPM increases)

1983 GPz 750
810 Wiseco, Kerker, K&N, DynoJet S3, Accel, Progressive, etc.

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19 Mar 2014 15:55 #625800 by daless
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I'm going off the diagram in the Clymer manual. That's how I figured out those extra wires were supposed to go to a headlight switch. It's been pretty helpful so far.

The voltage I'm reading isn't with the bike running. It's just with the key turned on. At this point I'm just trying to get the coils to match what I read on the battery, about 12 - 13v or so. Once I get there I'll start her up and see if voltage increases as it should.

'77 KZ1000A1 - Mikuni VM29s, Kerker 4-1, K&N pods, LTD mags, Z2 seat

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19 Mar 2014 17:21 #625814 by koolaid_kid
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If it is with the engine not running I would expect a voltage drop because you are pulling 65 watts (5.5 Amps) with the headlight on.
A more valid test would be to start her up and then start checking the voltages at different RPMs.
And on that bike I would find a headlight switch so you can supply maximum current to the starter, as intended.

1983 GPz 750
810 Wiseco, Kerker, K&N, DynoJet S3, Accel, Progressive, etc.

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19 Mar 2014 18:03 #625822 by daless
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I see. Guess I'll wire up the headlight switch first, then do a running test and see if all checks out.

'77 KZ1000A1 - Mikuni VM29s, Kerker 4-1, K&N pods, LTD mags, Z2 seat

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19 Mar 2014 19:42 #625838 by Patton
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daless wrote: ...Now I'm thinking if I wire up an actual headlight switch and connect it to those wires how it was meant to be, that may solve things... Gotta fix it right!


If needed, here's a link to download the wiring diagram from KZr's FILEBASE:
www.kzrider.com/filebase/search/finish/1-general/246-z1000a1

Good Fortune! :)

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19 Mar 2014 19:47 #625839 by 78z1Joe
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Have you seen this? I have not tried it yet but it's similar to the coil re-powering relay.
www.motorcycleclassics.com/mc-how-to/ins...y.aspx#axzz2wT1L2HGq

1978 KZ 1000
1982 GS 300 training bike
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20 Mar 2014 17:34 - 20 Mar 2014 18:02 #625946 by daless
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The relay looks cool, but I'd rather wire up a headlight switch for now. Ran into some trouble with that today, however.

I put together a nice new piece out of a right hand control that had a switch in it. Only problems were the wires weren't long enough and one was missing. Took off the two that were there, thinking I could solder new ones in, but it seems damn near impossible. I'm sure some of you have seen these things before:

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I can heat up the flat side, but the heat won't seem to transfer through. It just gets the plastic around it hot. Maybe I'm just terrible at soldering, but I'm starting to think I should junk the switch and find another one with all the wires already attached. No luck so far. Any suggestions?

I see Z1E has a KZ900 right hand control I could probably use the switch out of. Right hands are so much less common than lefts. Especially ones with a headlight switch.

'77 KZ1000A1 - Mikuni VM29s, Kerker 4-1, K&N pods, LTD mags, Z2 seat
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20 Mar 2014 18:05 - 20 Mar 2014 18:06 #625948 by 650ed
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78z1Joe wrote: Have you seen this? I have not tried it yet but it's similar to the coil re-powering relay.
www.motorcycleclassics.com/mc-how-to/ins...y.aspx#axzz2wT1L2HGq


I'd be careful about using a relay for the headlight. It adds another single point of failure to the headlight circuit, and if the relay fails - no light. This could be particularly bad on a curvy road at night. Relays don't fail often, but they do fail sometimes. Ed

1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)
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27 Mar 2014 18:10 #626829 by daless
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Now that the headlight switch is in properly I re-tested voltage with it turned off. This is still without the bike running, but I'm not sure if I should be concerned about what I found:

At the pigtail with no coils plugged into it I read 12

With the right coil plugged in it was 11.5

With the left plugged in it was 12

Now at the end of each coil's separate wire the left read 11.5 and the right was 12. Is all that weird or nothing to worry about?

'77 KZ1000A1 - Mikuni VM29s, Kerker 4-1, K&N pods, LTD mags, Z2 seat

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27 Mar 2014 18:48 #626837 by 74ullc
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When I was going thru the wiring on my bike a 1/2 volt drop was the best I could get to. I think that's normal with the coils plugged in.

I believe the reason you have 12 on one side and 11.5 on the other is because one set of points is open and the other set is closed dropping some voltage to ground thru the points/condenser. Rotate the engine and see if that .5V drop goes from one side to the other.

If I'm way off, sorry, it was last summer since I thought about this stuff when I was going thru mine.

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1977 KZ1000LTD
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