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22 Feb 2014 08:11 #622993 by astark
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Hi, I was riding home from work a few days ago and my bike suddenly died. All of the lights went out too. The battery is only about 6 months old. I tried push starting it, but there's no spark at all. I still need to figure out a way to get it to my house to work on it, but any ideas on what it may be?

1980 KZ750H LTD

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22 Feb 2014 08:17 #622994 by 650ed
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I would start by replacing the fuses. They can look like they are ok even if they are not, because the little metal caps on the ends can break loose from the filaments. When this happens they break the connection even though the filament is not burned through. Ed

1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)

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22 Feb 2014 08:19 - 22 Feb 2014 08:24 #622995 by martin_csr
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I would check the fuses first. The fuse box is behind the left side cover. You have to remove the tool tray to get to one of the 2 screws that secures the electro cover. The main fuse is 20A & the others are 10A. I don't recall what length you need - either 1" or 1-1/4" (I think 1").
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22 Feb 2014 08:28 #622998 by Ton Up
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I agree with both previous comments. IMO the cylinder bulb fuses are junk anyways, and switched out to a blade style system; because i would always have problems with the old style. ie poor/loose connections, hated it. Like martin stated, the 20 amp is main and would be your spark inhibiting fuse when busted, the others are for your lights and other junk.

1981 KZ750 E2, Keihin CV34 carbs - 4-1 ex, Velocity stacks - Cafe


1980 Yamaha XJ650 - Cafe
1974 Yamaha DT125, - Cafe
1973 Yamaha AT 125 - Cafe
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22 Feb 2014 09:19 #623002 by JR
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I would also check that the battery connections are good. I had the same thing happen to me and the negative battery connection was loose

1980 kz750E1, Delkevic exhaust

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22 Feb 2014 11:15 #623007 by MFolks
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To improve your bike's electrical reliability, do this:

Cleaning Motorcycle Electrics

Get some of the De-Oxit DN5 electrical contact cleaner and figure on spending a good day going from the front of the bike to the back. It’s a plastic safe cleaner/preservative. www.deoxit.com is their website, and can be purchased at most electronic supply stores.

On the older Kawasaki's, and other makes, a majority of electrical connectors are inside the headlight housing requiring removal of the headlight, then the fun begins.

Do one set of electrical connectors at a time to avoid mixing up what connects to where. Usually disconnecting, spraying with De-Oxit DN5 and reconnecting is about all you'll need.

However, when encountering the green crud of corrosion, a brass wire brush may be needed on the pins you can reach. Some 400-600 grit wet and dry sandpaper strips rolled into a tube should reach the male and female pins in the more difficult to clean connectors.

Smoker’s pipe cleaners, cotton swabs and wooden toothpicks work as cleaning aids.

Really small electrical connectors may require the use of a welders tip cleaning tool assortment.

Most pins in the connectors are coated with a thin plating of tin, and others may be nothing more than copper or brass.

If moisture is added, the resulting corrosion lowers the voltage/current being carried causing dim lights, slow engine cranking, slow turn signal response and lower input voltage to the ignition coils resulting in weak spark.


The left and right handlebar switch pods will need attention too as they have circuit functions like turn, horn, run/stop, and start. If you discover the soldered connections at the switches are crumbling, I’ve got a repair procedure for this, just ask.

Usually a spritz or two with actuation of the switch is about all needed for these switches unless corrosion is detected and then careful disassembly is required.

The ignition switch may or may be not sealed to allow spraying the internal contacts. I urge caution if attempting to open this up as springs, and ball bearings may fly out never to be seen again!

If your bike has the older style glass tubed fuses, I suggest replacing them as vibration can cause internal failure. AGX is the type used, and most auto parts stores can get them for you.

Clean the fuse holder clips, looking for signs of overheating(discolored insulation, signs of melting). I use metal polish on a cotton swab, followed by spraying another clean swab with the De-Oxit DN5 and then rubbing the inside of the fuse clip.

All battery cables must be clean and tight for maximum current transfer. Check the cables going from the Negative(-) battery terminal/post to the engine mounting bolt

Also the one going from the Positive(+) terminal to the starter solenoid and from there to the starter motor.

If any battery cable feels ”Crunchy” when flexed, replace it as possible corrosion is inside the insulation.

Each "Bullet Connector" will have to be sprayed to ensure good connectivity, especially the ones going to the energizing coil of the starter solenoid.

The alternator output “Bullet Connectors” are usually behind the engine sprocket cover and will need inspecting and cleaning too.

The turn signal light sockets will benefit from a spritz from the contact cleaner along with the tail light/brake light socket.

Some brake light switches can be sprayed on the actuating rod, with the spray running down inside to the electrical contacts, others may be sealed requiring replacement if the switch is intermittent in operation.

Some people put the Di-Electric Grease on cleaned terminations/connectors, I don’t, as I’ve read/heard it can cause problems when it gets hot, actually insulating the connections, so the choice is yours to use or not.

I think I've covered about all of the electrical systems on the bike.........


“I spent a weekend going through every electrical connection and switch on the bike with a little scotchbrite pad and DeOxit - what a difference! Everything was brighter, gauge backlights, indicator lights, turn signals, I was getting a nicer spark, it fired up quicker, etc. Well worth my time. WELL worth it! “
From a forum member at www.kzrider.com


Re: Cleaning the many and various Motorcycle electrics.
I used the De-oxit D-5 spray on all the electrical connections of my 78 Kz1000 that had sat for twenty years .

When I parked the bike in 92 I was starting to have troubles with some of the electrical system, but after pulling everything apart and giving it a spray , reconnecting the connectors and working them back and forth a few times, then gave them another shot of spray to wash them off before the final reconnection.

Everything still works perfectly and has for over 7000 miles this year.

I am extremely happy with the results , a lot of the connectors were green when I started and after the cleaning they looked new ( shiny gold )

I found the Deoxit D-series, D-5 spray in a 4 oz can at a big electronics store called Frys in Illinois, don't get the small cans at Radio Shack , they are different and meant for computer type stuff.

store.caig.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.188/.f

Trust MFolks , the guy's a true rocket scientist and really knows what he's talking about.
JD

Use Deoxit DN5 on new or restored electrical contacts to condition them against future corrosion. Deoxit DN5 dissolves oxidation and corrosion on metal surfaces, fills in microscopic gaps and reseals surfaces for better electrical conductivity.

VOC and RoHS compliant
Nonflammable, quick-drying, non-dripping, and safe on plastics
Reduces arcing, RFI, wear and abrasion

Brand: Caig Laboratories
Model: DN5S-6N

Specifications: Net weight: 5.75 oz. (163g)

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
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22 Feb 2014 12:40 #623013 by astark
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Thanks guys, you called it. My 20A fuse was blown. I popped a new one in and it runs great!

1980 KZ750H LTD

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