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11 Feb 2014 09:41 #621899 by karoliens
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Hello,

So I have non starting bike and I'm inspecting starter. I hear a click but starter won't rotate. I changed brushes and it rotated a bit but not again won't rotate. Checked all the resistances according to manual and all is fine, How the starter should behave if I remove it from bike and connect to battery directly because it only gives spark. And is it important to rotate crank to "T" mark before putting starter back?

83' Kawasaki KZ750E-L2

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11 Feb 2014 11:13 #621914 by Topper
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When you have the starter off the bike you should be able to spin it by connecting it up to a battery.

Connect the positive battery lead to the starter's wire terminal and the negative to the starter housing. It should just about jump off the table.

If it doesn't spin there's still something wrong inside the starter.

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1979 KZ750 Twin
2009 Kawasaki Versys
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11 Feb 2014 11:19 #621917 by Topper
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Make sure the brushes are being pushed down on to the commutator by those springs. They can be tricky to get back on right.

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11 Feb 2014 12:31 #621931 by koolaid_kid
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Topper wrote: Make sure the brushes are being pushed down on to the commutator by those springs. They can be tricky to get back on right.

+1. Did mine a couple years back and it was a difficult time getting the brushes on correctly.
If all you have is a spark, that is an indication that there is a direct short inside the starter.

1983 GPz 750
810 Wiseco, Kerker, K&N, DynoJet S3, Accel, Progressive, etc.

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11 Feb 2014 23:54 - 12 Feb 2014 00:28 #621977 by karoliens
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What do you mean by putting brushes correctly? Because it was easy, I removed springs put brushes in the housings put rotor in place and put springs back? By the way the first time I started after brush replacement I forgot to put clutch cover on and after some running I clutch stick comes out and lost bit of the oil. I turned of bike immediately. And now starter not even rotate I just hear click noise of the relay.

83' Kawasaki KZ750E-L2
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12 Feb 2014 04:29 #621986 by koolaid_kid
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When I did mine, I placed the brushes on the plate under the springs, so the brushes were under pressure. The other end of the brushes are connected to the starter end cap (and the starter housing IIRC), so I was now holding 3 parts in my hands. I then slipped the plate with the brushes onto the commutator, which required me to pull back the brushes into the springs. Once I had each brush on the commutator, I slid the plate/end cap forward, making sure the slots in the plate lined up with the notches on the starter housing. Once the place was flush with the starter housing, I then finished sliding the starter end cap onto the shaft of the starter motor. I was then able to slip in the 2 mounting screws and finish bolting it up.
It has been a couple of years, but I am pretty sure that is how I had to do it.

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810 Wiseco, Kerker, K&N, DynoJet S3, Accel, Progressive, etc.

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13 Feb 2014 08:08 #622097 by karoliens
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Commutator seems to be worn. I guess I need new starter. Will GPZ one fit? What year, displacement?

83' Kawasaki KZ750E-L2

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13 Feb 2014 09:42 #622105 by MFolks
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14 Feb 2014 02:12 #622188 by karoliens
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Do these plates should be flat?

Because mine is grinded.

83' Kawasaki KZ750E-L2

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14 Feb 2014 14:32 #622253 by 650ed
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The commutator will show wear because the brushes ride on it. That is normal should not be a problem. It is a good idea to gently clean any carbon out of the little gaps in the commutator if there is any buildup. A toothpick can work ok. Ed

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14 Mar 2014 09:32 #625135 by karoliens
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Ok so i repaired starter. It rotates directly from battery but when i put into bike i hear just click. But if i put into bike and connect from battery without relay it only rotates but not crank rotates just starter i hear. There is a disk it freely rotates to the left but not right.

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