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Ignition switch compatibility 76

05 Nov 2013 07:45
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Hey Guys,
So I got my ignition switch stolen. Yeah, don't ask me why or how. makes no sense...guessing someone was trying to steal my bike, then realized it was broke and left it. Regardless, I'm in the market for a new ignition switch and I'm trying to find out about compatibility issues.

The factory part for my bike is 27005-075, which is discontinued, but a guy on ebay has a new part, based on part number 27005-094, which was discontinued and replaced with 27005-1031. So my question is, does this switch, 27005-1031, share the same pin connector as the 27005-075, which fits my bike?

If not, does anyone know of anyone who has done some sort of toggle switch replacement for the key? I was thinking about doing this and hiding it under the tank some where. Thanks!
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Re: Ignition switch compatibility 76

05 Nov 2013 08:19 - 05 Nov 2013 08:21
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No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationI don't know where you got your info on part numbers 27005-094 and 27005-1031, but I looked at Kawasaki.com and did not see any superseded part numbers for your switch, so I would suspect no other switch would be an exact match. You might be able to make another switch work with modifications, but that's always a gamble. If it was my bike I would buy the switch with the correct part number for the bike. You might want to submit an offer to this eBay seller. Ed

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Re: Ignition switch compatibility 76

05 Nov 2013 09:10 - 05 Nov 2013 09:10
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No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationZ1Enterprises.com lists an Emgo ignition switch for the 76 400-D3. The descriptions says that you may have to do a little "surgery". If so, I'd guess it would be just a matter of swapping out the connector &/or rearranging the terminal pins.

Z1Enterprises --- Ignition Switch w/2 keys KZ650/750 KZ900/1000 Z1 --- EM40-80600

This one appears to have a 4-pin connector.
Emgo 40-80600
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Re: Ignition switch compatibility 76

05 Nov 2013 11:17 - 05 Nov 2013 11:19
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martin_csr wrote: Z1Enterprises.com lists an Emgo ignition switch for the 76 400-D3. The descriptions says that you may have to do a little "surgery". If so, I'd guess it would be just a matter of swapping out the connector &/or rearranging the terminal pins.
I had to rewire the Z1 switch for my 750 twin. I took the wires/connector off the old switch and soldered them onto the new one. You'll need an Ohm meter to get the contact sets identified. Will work, not that hard to change the wires.
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Re: Ignition switch compatibility 76

05 Nov 2013 11:31
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Get, or borrow a 25 watt soldering iron. Don't use anything higher in wattage, or use one of the "Pistol Type" soldering irons, as they may melt the insulation on the wires before the soldering is done.

Rosin flux, and rosin core solder will work the best. Do not use solder or flux designed for plumbing repair, as it contains an acid that will quickly ruin the soldering project.
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Re: Ignition switch compatibility 76

05 Nov 2013 11:33
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An expanded version of the above post:

Soldering Electrical Connections

Something’s you'll need and good addition to your tool box

1. A Soldering Controlled output Soldering station Is overall best for most harness work. A "Gun" or "Pen". Gun is best used for intermittent and general joints, pen is better for many small, specified soldering tasks. Weller is a well-known brand for soldering appliances.
De-solder / soldering tools & braid.

2. About a pound of 60/40 solder, (I use 24 gauge for harness making, and it works well for circuit board assembly also, a good mid-sized gauge)

3. Some rosin flux, a pin vise, hemostats, small brass brush(about the size of a toothbrush) acid brush, rubbing alcohol, cotton swabs and a dental pick is also handy,

4. A GOOD set of automatic strippers with a depth gauge

5. A GOOD tie wrap gun, various tie wraps

6. Bulk (5000 at a time) ring terminals in the 3 popular sizes, that are NOT insulated.

7. Shrink tubing of various sizes and colors(cheaper in bulk), makes neat, tidy, and professional transitions from joined wire section to section.

8. A Heat Gun is Required or a hair dryer (takes more time, but works) for the shrink tubing.

9. Do not use matches or a lighter for heat shrink..this will MELT the tubing, make it brittle, and it will not shrink to the proper size..It will slide right off the joint in most cases.

10. When shrinking the shrink tubing you can use your soldering iron. Start the shrinking from the ends just beyond the soldered joint. Shrinking from the ends first will make the tubing shrink to the wire size leaving the soldered joint encapsulated in a cocoon, it will prevent the tubing from slipping , then do the middle. It is not necessary to touch the tubing with the soldering iron just get it close.

11. The procedure: Strip the wire to fit the terminal sleeve, with about 1/4 inch showing. Without twisting the stripped end, tin it until a good silver coat appears.

12. Then, tin the terminal, with just enough solder to flow and leave a silver coat INSIDE the sleeve.

13. Next, get two pieces of shrink tubing -- black for the first insulator, and a selected color for the top to slide over the black, about a 1/4 inch SHORTER than the bottom; cut and slide them on the wire.

14. Next, solder the wire to the ring terminal, "wicking " the solder up into the terminal sleeve, until it is filled, smooth, and shiny silver.

15. Next, crimp the terminal.
Finally, slide the black (longer tubing) flush with the end of the terminal sleeve on the ring end, and shrink it (keeping the wire straight until it cools, unless a pre-bent angle is required).

16. When cool, slide the colored tubing (for example: red) over the first, and flush with the ring end, and shrink it down. Net result is you have a terminal with a red marker and about a 1/4 trailer behind it. Looks professional, and lasts forever.

17. To extend a wire, just strip a good length from both wires, make a good mechanical connection by placing the stripped ends parallel to each other, wrap one clockwise and the other counterclockwise. Solder until you have a good flow and coverage and silver (not gray) appearance, then install shrink tubing.


18. NOTE: It is important to always heat the material (wire, terminal, etc.) to the point that the solder will melt when it contacts the wire or terminal. That assures good contact. Do not just apply the solder to the tip of the gun or soldering iron. This will result in a cold joint. Always melt the solder on the material being soldered.

19. Although some solder is rosin flux-core, adding flux to the joint helps!


20. For a good solder joint, use rubbing alcohol on a wipe and pull about 6” of solder through the wipe, removing oxidation and finger print oils.

21. IMPORTANT use rosin flux for electrical work. They even make a rosin core solder for electrical work. Acid flux will lead to corrosion. Acid types are best for galvanized sheet metal!
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Re: Ignition switch compatibility 76

31 Dec 2015 18:08 - 31 Dec 2015 18:15
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Hi I came across this old thread and hope you can assist me. I rebuilt an '82 KZ1100 with aluminium billet triple tress and instrument cluster from a '78 Z/KZ900 - therefore inheriting the ignition switch from the Z900 (bought a new one to make sure - EMGO 40-60800)

Long story short - "thought" I had figured out which switch wires should be joined to theoriginal KZ1100 loom - BUT obviously not so, as when I switched on the finished bike - I get all sorts of strange lights lighting up and no circuit to the starter motor and no indicators or much else for that matter.

SO - in your original post you talk about using an ohmmeter to test which wires should go to whiich original loom wire etc. snd it would be good to understand how to do this please

Also - One thing that puzzles me is the original KZ1100 switch/loom has 7 wires but the Z900 switch only has 6 so not sure what to do with the 7th wire in the loom.

This is all foreign territory to me and short of taking it to an auto electrician to sort it (which I will do if there are no answers) I thought I would ask the forum first if anyone can explain this confusing world of wires to me please and how to adapt one switch to another loom? All help truly appreciated.

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Re: Ignition switch compatibility 76

31 Dec 2015 18:34
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Colors on the harnesses are all pretty much the same, white goes in, yellow/red goes to ignition, brown accessory, blue running lights, red to tail light etc. get both bike's diagrams and compare away.

BTW, there's no 78 kz900, that'd be a kz1000
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Re: Ignition switch compatibility 76

01 Jan 2016 03:22 - 02 Jan 2016 02:52
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KZ650-B2/B3 Ignition switch connection diagrams. Ignition switch, 6-lead to 7-lead install
The B2 Ign switch might be wired similar to the 900, but maybe not.

This site has the 650 wiring diagrams. KZ650.Info Index page
The 900 might be similar to the 77 650s.

KZ900-A4 wiring diagram . see replies by TeK9iNe.
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Re: Ignition switch compatibility 76

01 Jan 2016 06:54 - 01 Jan 2016 06:58
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If you search Ignition Switch..my post should come up. By Spdygon
I bout one for a kz1000. The new one from a kz1000 comes with two extra wires . Which both will be blue in color. Those two wires you will not need. Tape them up.
before you remove the pis from the old 4 wire block I mark them. This way you can then take the new pins and insert them in the correct place.
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