Stop lamp "in reverse"

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11 Jul 2013 02:52 #595950 by 51-9
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Hi out there,
I´d need your help please. Recently :whistle: I found out that my KZ400D (1977) has a "Stop lamp" (brake light failure indicator light). Of course the bulb was gone ages ago... ;)
When I put in a new bulb I found out that it is somehow working "in reverse": It is burning all the time and extinguishes as soon as the brake light is on (hen I´m braking). :unsure:
What could be wrong here?
I checked the wiring diagram and found out that there is a "brake light failure indicator switch" - but I have absolutely no idea where this thing is in my bike.
Had anybody the same problem before? Does anybody know what might be the reason for this "reverse working"?
I´d be grateful for your advices!
Thanks & Regards from AUT
Patrick

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12 Jul 2013 04:49 #596124 by 51-9
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Anybody.....? :(

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12 Jul 2013 07:31 #596129 by 650ed
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You may want to start troubleshooting by looking at the brake light switch that the brake pedal operates. Make sure it is hooked up correctly and check it with a meter to see that it is operating correctly. If all is good there, trace the wiring that runs from that switch toward the lamp. Ed

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15 Jul 2013 15:58 #596632 by 51-9
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Thanks Ed,
today I found out what went so wrong with my STOP LAMP. After a hard search I finally found the "Brake Light Failure Indicator Switch" behind the horn under the gas tank. One of the pro-owners "shorted" the switch due to the fact that the switch is broken.

Has anyone an idea where to get a "new" switch?
Thx
Patrick

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15 Jul 2013 16:36 #596635 by 650ed
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Assuming you need the part shown as #18 in the diagram above, here's a new old stock (NOS) one on eBay for a decent price or best offer plus free shipping. You might want to offer him $20 to see if he will take it. Ed


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16 Jul 2013 02:38 #596706 by 51-9
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Thanks Ed, that´s the thing I was looking for. But if I think and think and think.... :S .. maybe it is better to use a relay instead of this switch. The relay should ensure: Stop Lamp burning when braking (like brake light) - stop lamo not burning when not braking. I know that a simple relay is able to provide that :P , BUT: I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THE SPECIFICATIONS OF SUCH A RELAY! :S :S :S
Do you have an idea? Or a link to a thred?

Would need the data like: How many Ampere, etc... or a link to a relay...
THANKS AGAIN, mate

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16 Jul 2013 04:37 - 16 Jul 2013 05:04 #596709 by 51-9
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:woohoo:
I think I found out how to wire all the stuff without using a switch or a relay....


1. I disconnect the Brake light failure switch (no need anymore)
2. I connect the blue and the green/white lead at the place where I just disconnected the switch
3. I disconnect the brown lead next to the STOP LAMP (in the tacho)
4. I Connect the Stop lamp to ground (instead of the brown + before)
5. I hope this will work....

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16 Jul 2013 09:09 #596722 by Motor Head
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The Brown wire has a splice, coming from the ignition switch, HOT 12v. You are going to blow a fuse at least, if not let the "Magic Smoke" out.
Brown to Black/ yellow as a straight connection is a "Short to Ground".

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16 Jul 2013 11:32 #596745 by 51-9
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I know... I do not connect brown to ground. I disconnect brown first, seal it, then I make a new lead from the bulb to ground. So the flow is: green/white - bulb - black (new) - ground. Should work, shouldn´t it? :unsure:

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