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11 Sep 2011 18:10 #475975 by gsnfl
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Dumbass induced massive fuse blow out...used up all my spares, got new ones and now I cant remember which amp goes where. Mcdonalds wifi and an ipod saving me here. 77 650 C-1. Im thinking 30A main and 10 in other two. Is this correct? Glass type yep..blade change over winter.

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11 Sep 2011 18:31 #475979 by M357.5
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Yep the main will be 30 amp.

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11 Sep 2011 18:36 #475981 by MFolks
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Fuse And Fuse Holder Designations

1. The older Kawasaki’s use a glass tubed fuse with the designation of AGX 1” long. Most good auto parts stores can get them for you. They are ¼” in diameter.

2. The more common AGC is 1 ¼” long and may not fit the smaller fuse clips. Again, ¼” in diameter.

3. To clean and polish the fuse clips, I use a cotton swab(Q- Tip) and some Brasso metal cleaner or Turtle Wax Chrome Polish. I suppose any good metal polish would work.

4. These fuses can fail internally but look good, only by removing them from the clip and electrically continuity checking with either a self powered test light, or a multimeter set on OHMS can they be determined to be in good shape.

5. A physical inspection of the metal end caps for tightness will tell you if the fuse is serviceable.

6. Most modern motorcycles are now using the automobile “Blade” style fuse with the designation of ATC or ATO.

7. The reduced sized “Mini” Blade style fuse holder uses the ATM size of fuses.

8. If the fuse and fuse holder overheat, it could soften or anneal the grip of the clip, it might require squeezing the clip to restore the tightness.
9. A list of where to purchase “Blade” style fuses and holders:

www.waytekwire.com order.waytekwire.com/productdetail2/M50/...20%20%20%208%20FUSE/

www.rallylights.com www.rallylights.com/detail.aspx?ID=765

www.delcity.net/store/6!way-fuse-blocks/p_10822.a_1

10. A source for the glass tubed AGX fuses:
www.boatownerswarehouse.com/browse.cfm/2,4986.html

11. Most bikes have 10,20,and sometimes 30 amp fuses in these blocks/fuse holders.

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11 Sep 2011 20:26 - 11 Sep 2011 20:26 #475998 by 650ed
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gsnfl wrote: Dumbass induced massive fuse blow out...used up all my spares, got new ones and now I cant remember which amp goes where. Mcdonalds wifi and an ipod saving me here. 77 650 C-1. Im thinking 30A main and 10 in other two. Is this correct? Glass type yep..blade change over winter.


No! The 30 amp fuse is too high. The KZ650-C1 uses one 20 amp fuse for the main circuit and two 10 amp fuses for the other circuits. Gotta be careful or you may end up frying your wiring harness if anything shorts out. The KZ650-C1 Owner’s Manual calls for a 20 amp fuse for the main and a 10 amp for the head and 10 amp for the tail circuits. Here's the relevant piece of the KZ650-C1 wiring diagram that shows the fuses and the colors of their associated circuits. Below that is a link to the entire KZ650-C1 wiring diagram. Swap that 30 amp fuse for a 20 amp as soon as you can to avoid potential wiring harness damage. Ed

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11 Sep 2011 20:28 #476001 by 650ed
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M357.5 wrote: Yep the main will be 30 amp.


Might be time to check your fuses if you're running a 30 amp in a 20 amp circuit. Ed

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11 Sep 2011 22:18 #476013 by M357.5
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650ed wrote:

M357.5 wrote: Yep the main will be 30 amp.


Might be time to check your fuses if you're running a 30 amp in a 20 amp circuit. Ed


Fuses ??? I run a bolt in mine. Just kiddin lol.

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12 Sep 2011 11:45 - 12 Sep 2011 12:38 #476108 by gsnfl
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Damn well I went 30amp in a hurry and off I went. Jumped on the interstate for about 5 miles and As I exited got sharp, intermittent cut offs (hesitations) above 3800 rpm. Below that no problems. Above that, the more pronounced and abrupt the cut offs the higher the rpm
Me thinks I bbq'd a coil. Sound right? Cant check resistance or voltage today but I'm trying to totally prepare myself for a dyna purchase.

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12 Sep 2011 14:43 #476140 by MFolks
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If your bike has points instead of the Kawasaki supplied electronic ignition, I'd check the gap and replace the condensors(capacititors) as they may be failing. Check the sparkplug caps too for correct ohm resistance. They unscrew from the sparkplug wires and test at 5000 ohms.

As you suggested, the coils may be failing at high rpm's too.

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13 Sep 2011 18:10 #476441 by peterg
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Thanks for this info. If I understand it correctly It should be possible for me to convert my 1977 650 fuse set up to a blade system without to much trouble ?? Or am I just being optimistic. I have just remade new bits of wiring harness from left and right switch sets, learning about electrics on the go and it looks pretty dodgy in the fuse box area, my next task.
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13 Sep 2011 18:27 #476444 by MFolks
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If you have or can make a wiring diagram, this will make the change over much easier than guessing where the wires might go. Your're going to need wire, wire strippers,crimpers,the terminals to be crimped, and the fuse holders & fuses.

I believe a forum member "otakar" has changed his bike's fuses to the "Blade Style". It should be in the history....

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