KZ440 LTD won't start

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11 Jun 2011 16:24 #456693 by get_awesome
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My '82 KZ440 will not start, even with a brand new battery fully charged. I can roll-start it by popping the clutch at a slow roll. However, if I have been riding it for 20-30 minutes, (enough to get the engine nice and hot) then shut it off, it will not restart for anything I do. Once I let it cool down, it will restart with the same roll-start. Does this sound like a problem with the ignition coil, or has someone else had this same problem? I don't have a ton of cash to go replacing everything one thing at a time until something works, so I'm kind of in a bind here.

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11 Jun 2011 17:07 #456694 by MFolks
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I'd remove the tank and check the input voltage to the ignition coil(s), with a fully charged battery it might be a volt or two less, anything more and you've got some corrosion/connector problems.

Cleaning Motorcycle Electrics

Get some of the De-Oxit electrical contact cleaner and figure on spending a good day going from the front of the bike to the back. It’s a plastic safe cleaner/preservative. www.deoxit.com is their website.

On the older Kawasaki's, a majority of electrical connectors are inside the headlight housing requiring removal of the headlight, then the fun begins.

Do one set of electrical connectors at a time to avoid mixing up what connects to where. Usually disconnecting, spraying with De-Oxit and reconnecting is about all you'll need.

However, when encountering the green crud of corrosion, a brass wire brush may be needed on the pins you can reach.
Some 400-600 grit wet and dry sandpaper strips rolled into a tube should reach the male and female pins in the more difficult to clean connectors.

Smoker’s pipe cleaners, cotton swabs and wooden toothpicks work as cleaning aids.

Really small electrical connectors may require the use of a welders tip cleaning tool assortment.

Most pins in the connectors are coated with a thin plating of tin, and others may be nothing more than copper or brass.

If moisture is added, the resulting corrosion lowers the voltage/current being carried causing dim lights, slow engine cranking, slow turn signal responce and lower input voltage to the ignition coils resulting in weak spark.

The left and right handlebar switch pods will need attention too as they have circuit functions like turn, horn, run/stop, and start.

Usually a spritz or two with actuation of the switch is about all needed for these switches unless corrosion is detected and then careful disassembly is required.

The ignition switch may or may be not sealed to allow spraying the internal contacts. I urge caution if attempting to open this up as springs, and ball bearings may fly out never to be seen again!

If your bike has the older style glass tubed fuses, I suggest replacing them as vibration can cause internal failure. AGX is the type used, and most auto parts stores can get them for you.

Clean the fuse holder clips, looking for signs of overheating(discolored insulation, signs of melting).
I use metal polish on a cotton swab, followed by spraying another clean swab with the De-Oxit and then rubbing the inside of the fuse clip.

Each "Bullet Connector" will have to be sprayed to ensure good connectivity, especially the ones going to the energizing coil of the starter solenoid.

The alternator output “Bullet Connectors” are usually behind the engine sprocket cover and will need inspecting and cleaning too.

The turn signal light sockets will benefit from a spritz from the contact cleaner along with the tail light/brake light socket.

Some brake light switches can be sprayed on the actuating rod, with the spray running down inside to the electrical contacts, others may be sealed requiring replacement if the switch is intermittent in operation.

Some people put the Di-Electric Grease on cleaned terminations/connectors, I don’t, as I’ve read/heard it can cause problems when it gets hot, actually insulating the connections, so the choice is yours to use or not.

I think I've covered about all of the electrical systems on the bike.........

and:

Why WD-40 Should Not Be Used On Motorcycle Electrical Items.

For many years, I was proponent of the use of WD-40 on fuse clips, fuses, switches and connectors. After hearing of other peoples experience with intermittent and sporadic activity, I shrugged it off as maybe they did something wrong in the application of the product.

It wasn’t until the time I rode my 1982 GPz1100 B2 model to downtown San Diego that I encountered the problems others had gone through.

After concluding my business downtown, I walked to where my bike was parked, turned the key to unlock the forks, and prepared to start the engine. The key was in the "On" position, yet I had no lights in the dash panel, the fuel pump was not running(I have FI), and the horn and tail light were not working.

Stumped as to why nothing electrical was happening, I remember my earlier conversations about how WD-40 will over time become a non-conductor(more like an insulator). I had some pieces of 400 and 600 grit sandpaper in my tool kit and with them was able to scratch away the coating from the WD-40 on the fuses and clips.

After removing the insulating film, the bike started and ran like it should. Since that time, I’ve told people about the problem with WD-40. If you must use a contact cleaner, I recommend getting some "De-oxit" from Radio Shack Stores or any good electronic supply store.

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
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11 Jun 2011 22:42 #456738 by Patton
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Would assure valve clearances are within specs.

Good Fortune! :)

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12 Jun 2011 09:13 #456808 by get_awesome
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Very thorough response, much appreciated!

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12 Jun 2011 13:26 #456836 by AndySlick
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Def the coil

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03 Aug 2011 22:33 #466695 by get_awesome
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After a bit of noodling around, I have come to the following conclusions:
1) The reason my bike will not start with the push of a button is that the commutator in the starter is worn down and is no longer making good contact. (the little copper plates on the armature). A local shop said they could possibly turn this down with a metal lathe, if it is too thin I will need a new starter. 2) As far as not being able to push-start while hot: As the engine heats up, my clutch plates are not grabbing. I believe this is due to being worn, but not quite to teh point of not working, just enough so that when the oil is at higher temps (thus slightly less viscous), they do not grip each other quite as fast, so at slow speeds when pushing the bike, they take a couple of seconds to catch, a bit too slowly to turn the engine over before slowing to the point where the rear wheel simply locks up.
3) My problem will be essentially fixed by fixing the starter (turns out the ignition coil as tip-top), however I now know that my clutch plates will need replacing fairly soon.

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