Stock Coil and spark plug wires.

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06 Apr 2011 17:32 #443031 by bloglos
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Spring is here and I'm getting my KZ650 C2 ready for summer. New plugs, oil change, brake pads, etc. I noticed that my plug wires were in baaad shape. I figured I'd pick up a set of new wires and install them this weekend. I have my bike in my dad's garage until next weekend so I don't have it in front of me to check, but I've read that if I have the stock coils, then the plug wires might be attached to the coils? Is this true?

78 KZ650 C2 - Runner
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06 Apr 2011 17:41 #443034 by bloglos
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And when I say attached I mean non-removable.

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06 Apr 2011 18:24 - 06 Apr 2011 18:28 #443048 by bountyhunter
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bloglos wrote: Spring is here and I'm getting my KZ650 C2 ready for summer. New plugs, oil change, brake pads, etc. I noticed that my plug wires were in baaad shape. I figured I'd pick up a set of new wires and install them this weekend. I have my bike in my dad's garage until next weekend so I don't have it in front of me to check, but I've read that if I have the stock coils, then the plug wires might be attached to the coils? Is this true?

On the 750 twin, the wires are molded into the coil. Yours are probably the same. Z1 sells a 4 Ohm OEM coil (EMGO brand) for about $36 so it's smarter just to buy the whole thing than fool with trying to dig the wires out and replace them. Don't know if a four Ohm coil fits yours, it would probably run OK.

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06 Apr 2011 18:54 #443057 by bloglos
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I believe that the stock coil is 4.3OHM so I'm thinking that should work. So I guess as long as the spacing is correct I should be able to use that setup. Please correct me if I'm wrong!

I can't tell from the picture, but can you replace the spark plug wire on those coils? It would suck to run into the same problem after replacing coils.

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06 Apr 2011 19:36 #443073 by MFolks
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The sparkplug caps should also be replaced as they contain a resistor that supresses the electrical noise of ignition. They unscrew from the sparkplug wires. Many rider have gone to non surpression caps. This may not make friends as radio's will pick up the snap and pop when the plugs fire. Dyna makes a set that should fit,just cut the wires to the right length. Z1 enterprises sells both types of sparkplug wires too.

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06 Apr 2011 23:58 #443132 by 650ed
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If they're like the '77 KZ650-C1 the wires are molded into the coils. But you don't need to replace the coils if they're ok; you can buy little connectors that allow you to cut the original wires short and attach new wires onto the stubs. I don't know who makes them, but I have seen them before. Maybe someone who knows the maker can chime in here. Ed

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07 Apr 2011 00:01 #443135 by MFolks
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07 Apr 2011 00:10 #443139 by 650ed
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That's it; thanks!

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07 Apr 2011 00:55 #443151 by bountyhunter
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bloglos wrote: I believe that the stock coil is 4.3OHM so I'm thinking that should work. So I guess as long as the spacing is correct I should be able to use that setup. Please correct me if I'm wrong!

I can't tell from the picture, but can you replace the spark plug wire on those coils? It would suck to run into the same problem after replacing coils.

I don't know if the mounting hoes are the same, you need to check. The wires are also molded in. But if you look at the price of the splicers and new wire, it isn't much more to get the whole thing. I personally think old coils should get pitched, they don't age well (guess how I found out).

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07 Apr 2011 12:35 #443227 by bloglos
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I'll probably replace the coils as well just to be sure. They aren't too expensive. I'm just having some difficulties deciding on a coil.

Does anyone have experience with with either of these? I'm not sure what the difference is.

www.z1enterprises.com/SearchResult.aspx?...&KeyWords=EM24-72451
or
www.z1enterprises.com/SearchResult.aspx?...KeyWords=IM01143-55S

I've also heard that even though I'm running points, I can still use the Dyna 3 OHm Green Coil, which would be great if I decide to switch to an electronic ignition in the future. Would I be pushing this coil too hard?

Thanks for all the help guys. It's appreciated.

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07 Apr 2011 14:03 #443238 by TeK9iNe
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"bloglos" post=443227]I'll probably replace the coils as well just to be sure. They aren't too expensive. I'm just having some difficulties deciding on a coil.

Does anyone have experience with with either of these? I'm not sure what the difference is.

www.z1enterprises.com/SearchResult.aspx?...&KeyWords=EM24-72451
or
www.z1enterprises.com/SearchResult.aspx?...KeyWords=IM01143-55S


I believe they are the same coil, but the latter comes with straight plug caps, and the first has none. You would just purchase the prefered caps seperately.

I've also heard that even though I'm running points, I can still use the Dyna 3 OHm Green Coil, which would be great if I decide to switch to an electronic ignition in the future. Would I be pushing this coil too hard?


Yes, you can use the 3ohm Green Dynas. The coils present the load to the ignition, so if the coil ohms are too low, you would burn out the ignition, if the coil ohms were very high, the coils would produce a weaker spark.

Best o luck!

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07 Apr 2011 14:32 - 07 Apr 2011 14:33 #443240 by JakeB
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bloglos wrote: I'll probably replace the coils as well just to be sure. They aren't too expensive. I'm just having some difficulties deciding on a coil.

Does anyone have experience with with either of these? I'm not sure what the difference is.

www.z1enterprises.com/SearchResult.aspx?...&KeyWords=EM24-72451
or
www.z1enterprises.com/SearchResult.aspx?...KeyWords=IM01143-55S


They have different bolt spacing, the top link is 4" and the bottom is 3.5". There is also one similar to the bottom link with angled plug caps;

www.z1enterprises.com/detail.aspx?ID=4333

edit: sorry misread the description, they are all 3.5" bolt spacing.

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