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13 Sep 2009 19:43 #321452 by freebyrd24
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hey everyone, so i just finished putting everything back together and last week i was trying to start it and everything was fine. i needed to rejet and clean the carbs out, so i did that during the week and i turned the key on today to try out the rebuilt carbs and my neutral light, oil light, horn, starter, and brake light switches all are not working!! Nothing has changed between last week and now so I am not sure what happened.

The blinkers, running lights, high/lo indicator and others work. Any idea where to start, what may have happened?

Thanks!

- 1981 KZ1000-K1 LTD - Long term project
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13 Sep 2009 20:08 #321462 by MFolks
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Check the condition of the fuses and fuse clips. I'd suggest pulling the fuses and continuity check them. It's not uncommon for the glass tubed fuses to fail internally but look good.

Fuse And Fuse Holder Designations

1. The older Kawasaki’s use a glass tubed fuse with the designation of AGX 1” long. Most good auto parts stores can get them for you. They are ¼” in diameter.

2. The more common AGC is 1 ¼” long and may not fit the smaller fuse clips. Again, ¼” in diameter.

3. To clean and polish the fuse clips, I use a cotton swab(Q- Tip) and some Brasso metal cleaner or Turtle Wax Chrome Polish. I suppose any good metal polish would work.

4. Most modern motorcycles are now using the automobile “Blade” style fuse with the designation of ATC or ATO.

5. The reduced sized “Mini” Blade style fuse holder uses the ATM size of fuses.

6. A list of where to purchase “Blade” style fuses and holders:
www.waytekwire.com
www.rallylights.com
www.delcity.net


(I got this from Patton on this website and embellished it)

The Dreaded Shorting/Intermittent Electrical Problem!

Here is the most basic method I know:

1. Charge your battery and have it load tested if you can. The floating ball hydrometer can be used to check the specific gravity of the charged cells in the battery.

2. Disconnect the Black lead from the (-) Battery terminal... or Red from the (+) Battery terminal, it does not matter which one.

3. Connect one of the following test setups in series with the Battery terminal and lead:
3.1 A 12 V light bulb,
3.2 A 12 V test light,
3.3 A 12 V test buzzer or,
3.4 A 12 V horn... you get the idea.

4. With the Ignition Switch OFF, go through your harness and wiggle the wires while looking/listening for the test setup to go on/start buzzing.

5.With the Ignition Switch ON, repeat the test except this time the looking/listening for the test setup to go on/stop buzzing.

6. Be prepared to open the Ignition switch and check/test for solder joint failure and or circuit board micro breaks (don't ask how I know this ).

7. Be prepared to pull the wires out of the Head Light to test for failures at or near the grommet.

8. Be prepared to open the harness at or near the Steering Neck for failures. This is where wires tend to exhibit fatigue due to repetitive movement.

9. Be prepared to open the left and right switch gear to search for rust and or broken parts. CAUTION: watch out for flying springs, ball bearings and stuff. Do indoors on White sheet (again don't ask ).

10. Be prepared to follow the heavy gauge wire from the Starter Solenoid (Relay) to the starter for bare ware wire exposure. Especially near bends and grommets.

11. If you can reproduce the fault symptom your are pretty much home free. Be prepare to find and repair/replace any internal wire breaks, insulation break downs, exposed wires, rubber grommet failures, etc. Often, shrink tubing will solve the problem temporarily until something better can be done.

12. I use a very good electrical contact cleaner/preservative called De-oxit made by Caig Labs in San Diego Ca. Their website is www.deoxit.com It can be purchased at Radio Shack and any other electronic supply store. I use it on all of my motorcycle’s electrical connectors , in my home entertainment center’s stereo patch cords and cordless phones charging cradles.

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)

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13 Sep 2009 20:19 #321469 by freebyrd24
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thank you for the advice, im probably going to have to go threw the harness unfortunately. i checked all fuses already for continuity, they were all good. I looked at the wiring diagram in my book and it looks like they all share the same wire. A brown wire which i believe is for power? its a 1981 kz1000 k1

- 1981 KZ1000-K1 LTD - Long term project
1075cc Kit - New Wiseco Pistons

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14 Sep 2009 10:37 #321563 by OKC_Kent
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When you pulled the carbs did you take the tank off? Maybe you knocked a connection apart.

Oklahoma City, OK
78 KZ650 B2 82,000+ miles

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14 Sep 2009 19:56 #321700 by freebyrd24
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unfortunately not, i didnt have the tank on the first attempt to start. i had a temp gas supply. ill have to start tracing tomorrow

- 1981 KZ1000-K1 LTD - Long term project
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14 Sep 2009 20:00 #321705 by timebomb33
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if you have a test light or a voltmeter try testing all you fuses to see if you have power on both sides do that before you tear the harness apart and double check all your connections again in 20 years of doing this for a living i can count the number of bad harnesses i've seen on one hand and most of those had been chewed up by mice and of those i think i may have had to replace one of those, the rest i just repaired.

1973 z1 2-1974z1-a,2-1975z1-b dragbikes1015cc+1393cc, 1977kz1000,1978kz1000,1981kz1000j, 1997 zx-11, 2000 z12r,1428turbo nitrous pro-mod and a shit load of parts thats all for now leader sask.,CANADA
I THINK MY POWERBAND BROKE

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14 Sep 2009 20:16 #321708 by freebyrd24
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yes i do have a volt meter and unfortunately i do have have continuity across the fuses. i was hoping it was just a fuse, but no such luck

- 1981 KZ1000-K1 LTD - Long term project
1075cc Kit - New Wiseco Pistons

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- 1978 kz650 SR, 4-1 Vance and Hines Full Exhaust, Dyna-S Ignition, Accel Coils and Wires

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14 Sep 2009 20:19 #321709 by timebomb33
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don't just for continuity check for voltage that may narrow things down for you abit better.

1973 z1 2-1974z1-a,2-1975z1-b dragbikes1015cc+1393cc, 1977kz1000,1978kz1000,1981kz1000j, 1997 zx-11, 2000 z12r,1428turbo nitrous pro-mod and a shit load of parts thats all for now leader sask.,CANADA
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14 Sep 2009 20:20 #321710 by freebyrd24
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Thats true, I'll definately check for voltage tomorrow in my searching. Thank you

- 1981 KZ1000-K1 LTD - Long term project
1075cc Kit - New Wiseco Pistons

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15 Sep 2009 05:36 #321746 by Old Man Rock
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Pretty much all light and indicator voltage/currents go through the ignition switch....

Measure for +12Vdc from battery (+) to ignition switch input then keep going from there....

Look under the tank (over the head) for disconnections... Reasoning, to get at those carbs, the push pull throttle cables run under the tank as well, possibly something disconnected through the process when removing the carbs.

Keep plugging away in measurements with a DVM, you'll find it.

OMR

1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter

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15 Sep 2009 05:45 #321750 by freebyrd24
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Thank you OMR. Let me try to figure out exactly what you meant. I'd love some idea how to start running through checking wires. First check for voltage from battery going into ignition switch? Could the ignition switch let some things work and not others? I thought it was all or nothing.

Also, where should I continue to look? should i just check for power from battery to all the mentioned accessories?

Thank you! I can't wait to start hopefully narrowing this down tonight.

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1075cc Kit - New Wiseco Pistons

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15 Sep 2009 13:15 #321808 by bountyhunter
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freebyrd24 wrote:

yes i do have a volt meter and unfortunately i do have have continuity across the fuses. i was hoping it was just a fuse, but no such luck

Check the ignition switch and the kill switches.

1979 KZ-750 Twin

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