need timing and carb help in OKC, OK area.

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08 Aug 2009 17:03 #312476 by ndeli55
I am having troubles getting my bike timed and tuned. It was running really well just rich, until last night when it seemed to have lost 2 cylinders. This happened before, but it came back, and I assumed it was just fuel starvation. This morning It would not start and just coughed and burbled. I tried to clean, dress, and reset the points, and it never has been the same. I did put in 100 jets,(running stock airbox) 105's were in there before and it was really rich. It is a little better but less responsive on the low end, and little power on the top. I am at a loss, and was wondering if there were any locals that could help a brotha out.

1978 kz650B stock
1973 rd250 (in 1000 pieces)

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08 Aug 2009 17:33 #312487 by keith1
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year and model and any mods done will go a long way in helping to diagnose.....

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08 Aug 2009 18:04 #312494 by ndeli55
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oh sorry forgot that. 78 kz650b stock as of now, even airbox. old pipes though. I just worked on the timing some more and got something decent out of it. I am wondering if I have an undervolting issue that is dropping one set of cylinders.

1978 kz650B stock
1973 rd250 (in 1000 pieces)

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08 Aug 2009 18:46 #312508 by keith1
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i m not well versed in 650-750 stuff, but it sounds like an electrical problem....on the big bikes 1/3 and 2/4 are on seperate coils..pull your plugs and see whats what...could be a bad coil...could be low voltage to both...bad battery..carbs clean?...valve adj done fairly recently?
a lot of variables......good luck....

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08 Aug 2009 18:53 #312514 by ndeli55
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its the same on the small fours 1/4 and 2/3 fire together. I finally got a decent tune on it, I am now worried that I have run too lean. I went from 105's to 100's on jet size. The 105s were running pretty rich, and would sometimes plume black smoke. I just happened to have 100's so I threw those in, a little air fuel screw adjustment, and now its better, not best but better. I also think I may have fouled a plug. I am going to look at repowering the coils, and I ordered a dyna s ignition.

1978 kz650B stock
1973 rd250 (in 1000 pieces)

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08 Aug 2009 18:54 #312515 by ndeli55
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valve timing is probably needed, i just don't have the green, and it doesn't seem that far out just yet.

1978 kz650B stock
1973 rd250 (in 1000 pieces)

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08 Aug 2009 19:06 #312517 by keith1
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ndeli55 wrote:

its the same on the small fours 1/4 and 2/3 fire together. I finally got a decent tune on it, I am now worried that I have run too lean. I went from 105's to 100's on jet size. The 105s were running pretty rich, and would sometimes plume black smoke. I just happened to have 100's so I threw those in, a little air fuel screw adjustment, and now its better, not best but better. I also think I may have fouled a plug. I am going to look at repowering the coils, and I ordered a dyna s ignition.



dyna s is a good place to start...rules out the points and its set it and forget it....i would still check battery voltage after sitting overnite...anything less than 12v putting a multimeter on dc volts and putting red on pos and blk on neg is a weak battery, which will screw up the whole works.....you are cutting fuel down and are still fouling a plug....i am far from an ase tech ,but you might have an low voltage problem......good luck and let us know how ya make out......

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11 Aug 2009 22:12 #313301 by ndeli55
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tested the power to the coils, and it was merely 10.84v. Terrible. I also checked the battery and was looking good at 13+v. I am in the process of doing the wired george coil repowering mod, and I think I have tracked down at least one problem.

1978 kz650B stock
1973 rd250 (in 1000 pieces)

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14 Aug 2009 20:46 #314005 by ndeli55
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its amazing what a new ignition system will do. I repowered the coils, and installed a dyna s. I was running dark black and sooty plugs before,now with the same set up my plugs are completely white.

I think its the right direction, I have 102.5s to through in there tomorrow.

1978 kz650B stock
1973 rd250 (in 1000 pieces)

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