HELP ! Grounded Points

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29 Jun 2009 21:32 #303275 by Hayward

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While installing new points, I'm doing the static timing and notice I have ground with points (1&4) open or closed. I narrowed it down to black harness wire. I can disconnect in harness where it goes to coil, pull neg. wire off either coil, or turn ignition ON, and it clears ground. What in the world could cause this ? Any help would be appreciated !

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29 Jun 2009 21:52 #303277 by Sandy

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It's been years since I've swapped out my points ignition,but there are isolating washers in there,I believe, where the wires connect onto the points plate...any chance of that being an issue,in your case?

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29 Jun 2009 22:13 #303279 by Hayward

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No. That was the first thing I thought. Black wire is grounded while disconnected from points. The strange part is, I just set the old points last week with no problems. Is it such a thing as grounded coil ? I pull the black wire from 2&3 coil and the ground on 1&4 clears.?? Sounds like something switched around in wiring.

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30 Jun 2009 07:27 #303327 by Hayward

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Well, since no one seems to know that question, I'll try another. Should the black wire from 1&4 points be connected to the 1&4 coils ? Since I can't figure out which side is (+) and which is (-) in the schematics, does it matter which side the wires from the points go on the coil ?
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30 Jun 2009 07:47 #303332 by Kawickrice

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Of course the points are grounded they attatched to the points plate that is grounded. If you are using a test light IT should be grounded then when your points open they should show fire. Does that make any since?

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30 Jun 2009 07:59 #303337 by Hayward

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When the points are open, I should not see ground. I am trying to set the static timing. The ground I'm seeing with meter is with wire OFF points plate.

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30 Jun 2009 08:05 #303338 by Kawickrice

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The points are grounded by the nature of how they are attatched. I set my points with a test light. If you ground the test light when the points open, it should show voltage. I have never used a meter to set points, to many leads to try to get right, a test light frees up the hands to do adjustments.

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30 Jun 2009 08:12 #303339 by Hayward

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I'm going by test procedure in manual. This is just trying to get timing close to 'F' mark before I use timing light. The points are grounded open and closed. The way I see it, they will not fire when grounded. Points on 2&3 are fine - no resistance when open and grounded when closed.

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30 Jun 2009 08:22 #303342 by Kawickrice

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There are little phenolic washers where the wires hook to the points. Make sure they are in place. Look at the 2-3 points and make sure the wires are isolated just like 2-3.

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30 Jun 2009 08:25 #303343 by Hayward

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That is definitely not the problem. The black wire going to the coil is disconnected from the points and is grounded.

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30 Jun 2009 11:23 #303380 by Hayward

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Hayward wrote:

Well, since no one seems to know that question, I'll try another. Should the black wire from 1&4 points be connected to the 1&4 coils ? Since I can't figure out which side is (+) and which is (-) in the schematics, does it matter which side the wires from the points go on the coil ?
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Seems I can't get an answer to any of my questions today. Maybe a detailed drawing or explanation of the last question above would get me going again.

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30 Jun 2009 12:24 #303388 by DoubleDub

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Pictures are helpful too.

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