restricting cold air into the airbox
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restricting cold air into the airbox
22 Nov 2006 09:49
So its gotten fairly frigid up here in the Great White North, and I'm wondering if it is smart to restrict the airflow into the airbox by making the opening smaller? So far I've used some duct tape to close off about 60% of the opening.
Does that help richen the mixture at all? From what I remember reading, cold air creates a lean condition, since it's denser - right?
So by restricting the amount of cold air that can enter the engine, I can increase the amount of gas in the mixture.
Am I off my rocker?
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Post edited by: pyxen, at: 2006/11/22 12:50
Does that help richen the mixture at all? From what I remember reading, cold air creates a lean condition, since it's denser - right?
So by restricting the amount of cold air that can enter the engine, I can increase the amount of gas in the mixture.
Am I off my rocker?
Thanks.
Post edited by: pyxen, at: 2006/11/22 12:50
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Re: restricting cold air into the airbox
22 Nov 2006 09:52
I have never heard this.
I hope that tape doesn't get sucked in.
I hope that tape doesn't get sucked in.
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Re: restricting cold air into the airbox
22 Nov 2006 09:55
ack..that's a good point - hadn't thought of that! :blink: :huh:
Maybe I'll take it off for the ride home, and see about something a little more sturdy. :S
edit: on second thought..it wouldn't get sucked in, because its on the airbox opening next to the battery..so if it did get sucked in, it'd get stopped by the filter.
Is that technically the airbox at that point? Or the 'filter housing' or something.. ?
Post edited by: pyxen, at: 2006/11/22 12:57
Maybe I'll take it off for the ride home, and see about something a little more sturdy. :S
edit: on second thought..it wouldn't get sucked in, because its on the airbox opening next to the battery..so if it did get sucked in, it'd get stopped by the filter.
Is that technically the airbox at that point? Or the 'filter housing' or something.. ?
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Re: restricting cold air into the airbox
22 Nov 2006 13:00
engines like cold air,you can stuff a lot more cold air into an area than you can hot air.:evil:
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Re: restricting cold air into the airbox
22 Nov 2006 13:52
wireman wrote:
they like it if the jets are bigger, if not you may be running a bit lean with the colder air. leaner is meaner, but it can be meaner on the bank if you burn a piston....engines like cold air,you can stuff a lot more cold air into an area than you can hot air.:evil:
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Re: restricting cold air into the airbox
22 Nov 2006 17:17
the way I had it kinda sucked..so I've removed the tape for now. It was well stuck down, so it wouldn't have come off.
I noticed a difference in performance, but it seemed to bog a bit at 1/2 throttle or more..so yeah, I removed it.
I may try again later, but for now, I'm just gonna leave it alone I guess.
I noticed a difference in performance, but it seemed to bog a bit at 1/2 throttle or more..so yeah, I removed it.
I may try again later, but for now, I'm just gonna leave it alone I guess.
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Re: restricting cold air into the airbox
22 Nov 2006 18:47
You can change the mixture by restricting the air flow but it's only going to be right at one particular RPM-load combo.
You could put in larger jets and run regular gas in the winter and that 10% ethanol crap in the summer.
If you're runnig the ethanol blend now, switch to real gas.
You could put in larger jets and run regular gas in the winter and that 10% ethanol crap in the summer.
If you're runnig the ethanol blend now, switch to real gas.
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Re: restricting cold air into the airbox
23 Nov 2006 10:07
actually I am running ethanol right now..but its only 89 octane. I'll go back to 87 unleaded.
I'm definitely not going to modify my jetting just so I can ride a little bit longer into the fall..thats kinda extreme
Why is the different gas so important?
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I'm definitely not going to modify my jetting just so I can ride a little bit longer into the fall..thats kinda extreme
Why is the different gas so important?
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Re: restricting cold air into the airbox
23 Nov 2006 16:35
The ethanol blend runs lean relative to gasoline with no ethanol. There may be enough extra stuff to burn in the 'ethanol free' gas to solve your lean when cold problem.
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Re: restricting cold air into the airbox
24 Nov 2006 15:34
wireman wrote:
exactly..cold air is denser, and your engine should run better..gale banks used to put ice around the intakes of his turbo vettes to get his power and speed up. cold is definitely better.engines like cold air,you can stuff a lot more cold air into an area than you can hot air.:evil:
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Re: restricting cold air into the airbox
24 Nov 2006 19:16
We know that if we DECREASE the air density we end up with an overly RICH mixture.
Sure, engines like cold air because more oxygen can get through the same induction system. But, they don't like running LEAN.
Sure, engines like cold air because more oxygen can get through the same induction system. But, they don't like running LEAN.
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Re: restricting cold air into the airbox
25 Nov 2006 17:02
Duck wrote:
well, yes. a DECREASE in air density means the air is warmer. hot air is less dense...but you are right, denser air with the same fuel delivery would be a more lean condition.We know that if we DECREASE the air density we end up with an overly RICH mixture.
Sure, engines like cold air because more oxygen can get through the same induction system. But, they don't like running LEAN.
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