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28 Sep 2010 10:10 #402453 by AnthonyKiser1977
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I have a 1977 KZ650 that I performed a motor swap on and now I can't get it started. After kicking the motor over several times it will run for a second and then die. The carbs were recently rebuilt. When I check the plugs they are dry.

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28 Sep 2010 11:53 - 28 Sep 2010 11:55 #402477 by TeK9iNe
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Are you 100% certin that you have made the entire intake/exhaust system air tight?
By this, I mean that the stock airbox/filter/ehaust all need to be connected properly, and perfectly air tight, or starting/running problems will persist - unless bike has already been re-jetted for pod filters.

Whats compression? Have valve gaps been properly set?

Are you using full choke? Is there proper amount of fuel in the carb bowls?
Is battery 12.6V or greater with bike off? Are the coils recieving the same voltage as the battery when key on?
Lots of "snappy" consistant spark?
Starter is turning motor over quickly - not chugging? Should be very quick - least 3 revolutions per second or so.

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If it runs for a sec then dies and the plugs stay dry/new looking. It sounds like the pilot and choke circuit is either not clear, or not moving enough fuel.
Proper filtration must be used.

Good luck.

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28 Sep 2010 14:16 #402502 by AnthonyKiser1977
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Thanks for the help. I am kickstarting the bike, since the electric starter is crap. The float bowls are getting fuel, and the carbs were recently rebuilt. As far the valves are concerned I don't know if they are out of spec, but I do know that the motor has approximately 16,000 miles on it with good compression. Where is a good tutorial on how to check and set valve clearances for a KZ650? The rest of the items you mentioned I will also check. Thanks for your help.

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28 Sep 2010 14:31 - 28 Sep 2010 14:42 #402506 by Patton
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AnthonyKiser1977 wrote:

...The float bowls are getting fuel, and the carbs were recently rebuilt....


Where carbs have side located pilot air screw (see image), a good method for cleaning the pilot circuit is shown in the following post.

Good Fortune! :)

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28 Sep 2010 14:33 - 28 Sep 2010 14:42 #402508 by Patton
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Patton wrote:

AnthonyKiser1977 wrote:

...The float bowls are getting fuel, and the carbs were recently rebuilt....


Here's a good method for cleaning the pilot circuit.

Good Fortune! :)

[Click on image to enlarge view.]


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28 Sep 2010 14:46 #402510 by Patton
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Same pilot circuit cleaning method may be adapted for using on similar carbs with bottom-located pilot mixture screws.

Good Fortune! :)


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28 Sep 2010 15:02 #402514 by AnthonyKiser1977
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Thanks for the diagrams, I'll check into it after dinner.

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28 Sep 2010 16:58 #402546 by AnthonyKiser1977
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Everything is spotless inside the carbs. I think that I'm going to increase the size of the main jet to get some fuel into the cylinders.

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28 Sep 2010 17:44 #402556 by Patton
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AnthonyKiser1977 wrote:

...going to increase the size of the main jet to get some fuel into the cylinders.


Likely won't help either pilot circuit performance or enrichener circuit (choke) performance. :(

If not already done, would try starting engine on full choke and don't touch the throttle --- don't touch the throttle --- until after the engine has run for a while.

The choke "enrichener circuit" is a separate carb circuit designed to perform with the throttle slides remaining completely closed.

Good Fortune! :)

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28 Sep 2010 17:53 #402557 by Motor Head
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Patton wrote:

AnthonyKiser1977 wrote:

...going to increase the size of the main jet to get some fuel into the cylinders.


Likely won't help either pilot circuit performance or enrichener circuit (choke) performance. :(

If not already done, would try starting engine on full choke and don't touch the throttle --- don't touch the throttle --- until after the engine has run for a while.

The choke "enrichener circuit" is a separate carb circuit designed to perform with the throttle slides remaining completely closed.

Good Fortune! :)


Maybe this circuit has the restriction? Got another diagram or the carb enricher circuit for him?

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28 Sep 2010 17:58 - 28 Sep 2010 18:07 #402559 by Patton
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If not already done, would assure correct fuel levels inside float bowls, using clear tube test.

The float height measurement setting is unreliable, because the critical factor is fuel level -- not float height.

Thinking perhaps fuel levels are way too low, and thereby disallowing fuel intake to the pilot jets.

Good Fortune! :)

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28 Sep 2010 17:59 - 28 Sep 2010 18:04 #402560 by Patton
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Here's a diagram and some information about the starter system.

It's a separate circuit, sometimes referred to as the enrichener circuit.

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A too low fuel level inside the float bowl could also impair functioning of the starter circuit.

Good Fortune! :)

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