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30 Aug 2009 09:57 #317571 by Omega
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Hi, I just got a KZ750-LTD-4 that hasn't run for almost 15 years.. I guess I need to remove the carbs and clean them from the gooey paste the fuel has left everywhere..

What's the stuff I should use to clean the carbs? I've found carb cleaner at the auto store but the stuff is for putting in a gas tank..

I've seen in articles and threads that I should use a cleaner and compressed air to clean all the passageways but I don't know what to use?

Thanks!

Omega
1981 KZ750-LTD
Montreal, Quebec, Canada

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30 Aug 2009 10:22 #317575 by mzandmz
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I use carb cleaner SPRAY cans. A good tooth brush. Air compresser. And a very fine wire to use to poke in those little holes. A small screw driver used to scrape areas helps loosen that nasty corrosion. Lots of elbow grease,blood ,sweat,and tears(beers if over 21)Good ventalation so you dont get High.:blink: off the fumes. And some tunes playin in the back ground.:P .:dry: .B)

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30 Aug 2009 11:36 #317605 by chance
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I'd soak em in chem clean and rebuild them 15 years is a long time sitting with gas in them..The tank like that too...If you want some rebuild WG carbs is the man...

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30 Aug 2009 11:38 #317607 by chance
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WG did these for me ..

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30 Aug 2009 11:44 #317610 by MFolks
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A guide for carb cleaning:

Carb Cleaning 101

By M. Shively

The elements of internal combustion engines are: correct fuel/air ratio, spark at right time, adequate cylinder compression.

There are many passageways and openings to check and clean. All are important in function and when obstructed or not working properly, have subtle to radical effects on engine performance. Vacuum leaks and carburetor synchronization also effect performance and should be inspected and adjusted following the below procedures.

Carb Cleaning 101
Warning: Remove all rubber parts before you begin. These parts usually include vacuum diaphragms, needle valves, o'rings, hoses, and other parts. Spray cleaners will damage these parts. Do not disassemble individual carbs from the carb bracket.

Air & Fuel Passageways: Trace and learn individual fuel and air circuits from beginning to end. Machines can only drill straight through the cast passageways. To change direction, another angled passageway must be drilled. The union is plugged with a brass or bronze bead. Inspect and clean each passageway with spray cleaner, brushes/pipe cleaners/etc, and compressed air. Remove any discoloration and debris. Look for spray cleaner to exit from one or more passageways.

Jet Cleaning: Inspect jets by holding to light and look through them. You should see an unobstructed round hole. Clean the jets with one or more of the following: jet cleaning wires, soak solutions, carb spray cleaners and compressed air. Re-inspect jets after cleaning and install when clear of obstructions. Some main jets have paper-like gaskets. Most have metal spacers between the jet and the emulsion tube. Some screw directly into a brass emulsion tube which is machined for a 7mm wrench at its float chamber exposed base.

Inlet Fuel Valve: Inspect the needle valve & spring. Press down the tiny metal rod that protrudes from the butt or float end of the needle valve. The spring should move freely and return the rod to its location. Check the needle valve's seat area for a groove or other wear. It should appear highly polished. Some needle valve seats are rubber and wear may not be visible. Inspect the needle valve jet seat. You can clean the jet seat with Q-tips and semi-chrome polish if necessary.

Carb Body Castings: Blow air through the atmospheric vent holes located on the dome of each float bowl chamber. Air should exit via hoses or brass nipples. Inspect the emulsion tubes and passageways (cast towers that jets thread into) for discoloration and debris. Clean interior emulsion towers with a soft bristle gun cleaning brush. Clean each Venturi (main carb bore).

Needle Jets & Jet Needles: Clean the needle jets, jet needles, and passageway or tower that needle jet screws into. Clean the emulsion tube (pipe between needle jet and main jet) (Main Jet may screw into emulsion tube). Jet needles are part of the throttle slides. See below…

Throttle Slides: There are several types of throttle slides: Mechanical linkage, vacuum, diaphragm, and cable. Disassembling the jet needle from the slide is not always required for cleaning. If you have vacuum piston type throttle slides (large diameter solid metal slide), avoid cleaning the lubrication from sides and caps. If piston type check cap vents and passageways with air. Clean if necessary and re-lube. If you have rubber vacuum throttle diaphragms, inspect for dry-rot, defects, and tears by gently stretching rubber away from center. Do this until all areas around diaphragm have been inspected. Replace any defective part as described above. Clean carb body areas around diaphragm including air passageways and air jets. Diaphragms have a locator loop or tab fabricated into their sealing edge. Observe this locator upon reassembly. Avoid pinching the diaphragm when reinstalling caps.

Fuel Screws: Fuel screws have sharp tapered ends. Carefully turn one fuel screw in while counting the turns until it seats lightly. Warning: These screws are very easily damaged if over tightened into their seats. Record amount of "turns-in" and remove the fuel screw, spring, washer, and o'ring. The fuel screw is part of the enrichment (choke) circuit...clean passageways as described above. When carbs are assembled, spray low PSI compressed air into diaphragm air vents located at intake side of carbs. Throttle slides should rise, then fall when air is removed. Lightly lube external moving linkages. Reinstall carbs and follow through with carburetor synchronization.

Throttle Cables: Lubricate cables periodically. If cables are disconnected from carbs or removed for replacement, etc . . . remember cable routing and ensure proper reinstallation routing. Avoid bread-tying, sharp bends, and pinching cables. Adjust cables so throttle grip has about 5mm of play or throttle slides or butterfly valves may not open completely (full throttle)(wide full open).

Float Bowls: Inspect float bowls for sediment, gum or varnish, crystallization, and defects. Clean all pipes, tubes, passageways, and embedded jets with cleaners and compressed air. Remove and clean the drain screw and area. Inspect bowl gasket and replace if necessary. Clean and inspect overflow pipes and tubes, look for vertical cracks.

Floats: There are several types of float materials: plastic, brass, black composite, tin, and others. Handle floats carefully. Avoid bending, twisting, denting, or other means of mishandling. Most floats are adjustable by bending a small metal tab near the float axle end. Do not change the float adjuster tab unless tuning fuel service levels. Clean metal floats by soaking or by spraying cleaner and wiping clean. Other material type floats may require replacement if cleaning is necessary. Inspect the needle valve (float valve) and seat. Check needle valve's spring loaded pin. It should depress and return smoothly and without resistance. Check the needle valve's tip for a worn groove. Replace needle valve and seat if either symptom exists. These parts wear together and must be replaced as a set.

Synchronization: This is a fine adjustment performed usually and preferably with the carbs installed and the engine running. The unusual part is performed with gauged wire with the carbs on the work bench. Carburetor synchronizing balances Venturi vacuum at the exhaust side of each carburetor, resulting with smooth idling and optimized performance at all throttle openings. Synchronization is checked using a set of gauges which are either air vacuum type or liquid mercury type. The gauges are connected to vacuum ports on the intake manifolds via nipple tubes or if sealed with screws, sync gauge adapters will be needed. With the engine running at temperature, and with a fan or means of forced convection aimed onto the engine, the carbs fuel screws and idle are adjusted, then the synchronization is adjusted via adjustment screws on the carbs. A reserve fuel tank is recommended for convenience of accessing carbs during this procedure. See gauge instructions and repair manuals for detailed use of synchronization gauges.

Notes: While carbs are apart, record the jet sizes. Look for a very small number imprinted on the body of the jets. Verify that numbers are the same for all jets on models with in-line cylinders. A few transverse-4 models and V-engines, the inner and outer carbs use some different size jets and it's important to not mix them up. If you have dial or veneer calipers, measure and record float heights. Perform measurements with floats just touching needle valves, though not depressing the needle valve rods. Replace fuel and vacuum hoses. Be sure to use fuel rated hose for fuel. Install or replace in-line fuel filters. It's a good time to remove and clean interior petcock fuel filters. Inspect carb manifolds for dry-rotting, inspect all clamps and air ducts. Inspect, clean, lube, and/or replace air filter(s).

1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)

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30 Aug 2009 12:28 #317616 by Yojymbo!
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d-Limonene and anahydrous acetone works like nothing else I've used. Soaked 30 year old forks assebly in for a day or two and they came out looking brand new, no scrubbing or agitation. It is a pungen lemony aroma of acetone though so it's best done outside and keep it covered of course as not to let the acetone evaporate. The next day there will be a film on top you can't even see through and beneath are shining bright parts.

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30 Aug 2009 14:46 - 30 Aug 2009 14:47 #317638 by bountyhunter
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Omega wrote:

What's the stuff I should use to clean the carbs? I've found carb cleaner at the auto store but the stuff is for putting in a gas tank..

Typical spray carb cleaner is good, you can also use non-chlorinated brake cleaner which is basically acetone.

Seafoam is good for putting in the tank.

1979 KZ-750 Twin
Last edit: 30 Aug 2009 14:47 by bountyhunter.

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30 Aug 2009 15:23 #317648 by chance
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And that the lesson today.. I think that about covers it..

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30 Aug 2009 20:05 #317745 by Omega
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Awesome.. thank you all..

Omega
1981 KZ750-LTD
Montreal, Quebec, Canada

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31 Aug 2009 05:11 #317809 by Russ Jackson
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Berkbile Gum Cutter. Here is what it looks like. You can get it at Auto Zone...Russ


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1976 KZ 900 B1 29 smoothbores, Kerker, Lester Mags
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31 Aug 2009 05:21 #317812 by chance
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Have you used this product ? Never seen it before....

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31 Aug 2009 06:10 #317829 by Russ Jackson
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chance wrote:

Have you used this product ? Never seen it before....


Yes it is a great product. By far the best I have found...Russ

1976 KZ 900 B1 29 smoothbores, Kerker, Lester Mags
2008 Kawasaki Concours 14 abs

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